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The fuck?

Seriously, Cameron is so much more fucked up than I'd dreamed. I've been annoyed at Sam on SG-1 this season for acting like a giddy teen girl, but Cameron was so much worse tonight.

A) Sam would never pout around her house while she was needed at her job that, oh, what's the phase? Saves lives. Of course, Sam would also never quit out of martyrdom, either.
B) Sam would never say that Jack calling her a 'good scientist' wasn't a good enough reason to be on the team. Getting respect from your CO is a good thing.
C) Sam would never blackmail her boss into a date. And that's where Cameron made me go nearly speechless with rage.

"I'll come back to work if you date me?" After he's made it clear that he's not interested and yet also that he really wants her back at the job? She's seeking romantic favors before she'll come back to work. Pretty sure that there's a phrase for that, too.

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure that I've ever felt less respect for a tv character and for the people who wrote her. If we're honestly supposed to see her behavior as at all positive, then House is not the show for me.

It makes me want to apologise for Sam for being so hard on her, because there was clearly a lower place to which she could sink and yet didn't.

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Date: 2005-05-04 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com
I decided to skip House in favor of Veronica Mars a while back (I'd been juggling them), and it was the beginnings of Cameron/House that forced my decision. Everything I've seen about the latest episode makes me glad that I did so. Although it would be good to grant Sam a bit more respect then I've felt for her this past season.

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Date: 2005-05-06 08:17 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
I decided to skip House in favor of Veronica Mars a while back (I'd been juggling them), and it was the beginnings of Cameron/House that forced my decision. Everything I've seen about the latest episode makes me glad that I did so.

I'm going to see how they handle it. Because I really like parts of the show. If they show any meta-approval of Cameron's actions, I'll probably end up bailing. As of now, this could just be a stupid way of them showing that she's as screwed up as the rest of the characters.

Although it would be good to grant Sam a bit more respect then I've felt for her this past season.

Yeah. That part is a little helpful. Of course, saying "At least Sam wouldn't resort to actual verbal emotional manipulation that borders on sexual harassment," isn't actually saying much, but it's better than what I had before. Of course, it's always possible that the reason she hasn't tried it is because she's smart enough to know that it wouldn't work.

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Date: 2005-05-04 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com
We've been having a big-ol' "What was she thinking?" post over on [livejournal.com profile] pagingdrhouse. The varying different takes on it and arguments for or against are fascinating--or at least they are if you're not too emotionally attached. (I already have one giant hot-button about this show, and thankfully it's not this.)

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Date: 2005-05-06 08:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
I'm trying to remember -- is your hot-button how they handle the drug issue? Because that seems a bit iffy to me.

And thank you very much for pointing out the link!

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Date: 2005-05-06 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com
I'm trying to remember -- is your hot-button how they handle the drug issue? Because that seems a bit iffy to me.

*nods* One of the quickest ways to get me frothing at the mouth is to say 'Detox' is the show's best episode. Unfortunately, this is in part responsible for me retreating back a bit from the rest of the fandom, because that gets said a lot.


And thank you very much for pointing out the link!

*grins* Well, that was sort of enlightened self-interest; I'm partially responsible for PDH. I was complaining and complaining about the main comm back in the day, and finally Tris said, "Oh for god's sake," and made that. Thus, House fandom has a meta comm run and moderated by someone who doesn't even watch the show (or particularly like what she has seen of it).

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Date: 2005-05-10 02:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thus far, Damned If You Do is my favorite. I just saw it a few days ago. I was thrilled about Chase's confession in it, because it totally helped explain his recent behavior to me (choosing fear over faith, failing the test). I'm looking forward to seeing Cursed one of these days, as I understand that it touches on Chase's daddy issues.

I adore House and Wilson's interplay, but I find Chase the most interesting character on his own.

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Date: 2005-05-14 10:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com
Thus far, Damned If You Do is my favorite. I just saw it a few days ago. I was thrilled about Chase's confession in it, because it totally helped explain his recent behavior to me (choosing fear over faith, failing the test).

Oh my. That's really a nice insight. And yes, if you like Chase, you really need to see Cursed.

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Date: 2005-05-04 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gigitrek.livejournal.com
Pretty sure that there's a phrase for that, too.


A phrase like: "Sexual harassment"? And, since Cameron is attractive, what do you want to bet we'll see that ever brought up?

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Date: 2005-05-06 08:20 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
A phrase like: "Sexual harassment"? And, since Cameron is attractive, what do you want to bet we'll see that ever brought up?

Exactly. Something doesn't stop being wrong just because the genders are switched.

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Date: 2005-05-04 11:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elz.livejournal.com
I read some reactions to this week's episode before I got a chance to download it (was watching Veronica Mars last night), and now I'm thinking I just won't bother. The direction they've gone in recently make me think that this just isn't the show for me, so I may as well cut my losses now. Cripes, I thought Cameron was unprofessional before this. Blackmailing your boss into dating you? SO not acceptable behavior. Can you imagine them ever having a plotline where Chase told Dr. Cuddy he wouldn't work for her unless she put out? How well would *that* be received?

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Date: 2005-05-06 08:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
I read some reactions to this week's episode before I got a chance to download it (was watching Veronica Mars last night), and now I'm thinking I just won't bother. The direction they've gone in recently make me think that this just isn't the show for me, so I may as well cut my losses now. Cripes, I thought Cameron was unprofessional before this. Blackmailing your boss into dating you? SO not acceptable behavior. Can you imagine them ever having a plotline where Chase told Dr. Cuddy he wouldn't work for her unless she put out? How well would *that* be received?

I'm going to wait and see how they handle it next week, but I'm really watching them carefully, because having their one female underling acting this way is not of the good.

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Date: 2005-05-04 11:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ilanabean42.livejournal.com
Thank you! I've heard a lot of positive reactions to her behavior and I just don't understand it at all for exactly the reasons that you said. I liked Cameron at first, but now she really needs someone to smack some sense into her. I really hope the show stops having these kind of plots because I really like it, but Cameron just makes me angry now.

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Date: 2005-05-06 08:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you! I've heard a lot of positive reactions to her behavior and I just don't understand it at all for exactly the reasons that you said. I liked Cameron at first, but now she really needs someone to smack some sense into her. I really hope the show stops having these kind of plots because I really like it, but Cameron just makes me angry now.

That's part of what bugs me the most -- this show can be really good. A good show that really sucks at one thing is much more annoying than a sucky show in general.

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