butterfly: (Friendship -- Vince/Stuart)
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Queer as Folk (UK) just has the most perfect moments.

In any show that I desperately adore, I must have a relationship to love as both a friendship and something else. Friendship with the edge of the physical. It can be nice to have that friendship actually transition to a relationship, but I don't need it -- witness my still pure devotion to Buffy and Xander. I adored their tumultuous friendship as much as I could have any love affair.

But, on occasion, it's nice to have that relationship consummated, as it was in Dawson's Creek. Which was utter teen soap, but, in the end and after much frustration, it was satisfying teen soap. Joey and Pacey had the perfect infuriating love. They were so good for each other, but they had to work through the poison of their respective relationships with Dawson and the ending made me very happy, thank you.

Before that, I adored Lois and Clark in The New Adventures of Superman.

And QaFUK... I just adore it. The fact that the ending was left wide open, but that love (consummated or not) between Vince and Stuart isn't in question. Whatever they do, they'll be together, whether it be as friends or something else.

That's the same sort of strength that I see in Daniel and Jack's relationship. In Buffy and Xander's. Benton Fraser and Ray Kowalski's. They can piss each other off more than anyone else in the world, but they always have each other's back.

And I think I'll go watch a bit more QaFUK before I go to bed.

"It was good enough for me."

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Date: 2005-02-07 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -grievousangel.livejournal.com
That's what I love about the ending of QaF - it was never ever known if the relationship became a physical one, but it didn't matter because the love was there. It was as if Stuart, after years and years of hedonism, had finally realised that what matters more is love and friendship. Love it.

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Date: 2005-02-07 08:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Yes, exactly. It doesn't matter if they have sex or not, because they complete each other, anyway.

Stuart wouldn't have had nearly as much fun all those years if Vince hadn't been watching him, and Vince used Stuart as a window into what he didn't feel strong enough to take himself. Vince says, in one episode, that Stuart says whatever he says 'for all of them', but it's far more accurate, I think, to say that he says them for Vince. When he picks up those two blokes, he looks for Vince's reaction. He wants to impress Vince. Stuart enjoys many people, but he cares about Vince.

They have such a... symbiotic relationship, really.

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Date: 2005-02-07 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] castalie.livejournal.com
The whole 'It was good enough for me' is one of my favourite scenes ever - maybe even my favourite scene in any show. I love it that much.

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Date: 2005-02-07 08:52 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
If I made up a list of 'twenty best scenes on television', that would be on it. Not sure where it would fall, precisely, but it would definitely be up there. It's so absolutely perfect.

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Date: 2005-02-07 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
Aww! I was just about to post just to say thank you, because I just get unreasonably happy any time anyone mentions Stuart and Vince, and "It was good enough for me," is a scene that I never, ever get tired of. Then I saw the music you were listening to and couldn't help a big goofy grin. They are just... *squee!* So good.

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Date: 2005-02-07 08:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Aww! I was just about to post just to say thank you, because I just get unreasonably happy any time anyone mentions Stuart and Vince, and "It was good enough for me," is a scene that I never, ever get tired of.

I think that that sounds perfectly reasonable. It's one of those moments that just hits the perfect emotional note.

Then I saw the music you were listening to and couldn't help a big goofy grin. They are just... *squee!* So good.

Oh, I love that vid! It's just glorious. I've borrowed a friend's copy of The Long and Winding Woad and I've watching Little Brother at least a half dozen times already. It's wonderful.

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Date: 2005-02-08 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
Thank you so much. That's really great to hear. I so wish I were capable of writing them!

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Date: 2005-02-09 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
I so wish I were capable of writing them!

Ditto -- I haven't even seen the second series yet, so I couldn't dream of writing them (I'm hoping that they'll do a collector's edition for region 1).

On the note of you making kick-ass vids, I checked out Salome on the Woad dvd and it was amazing. I haven't seen much of Xena, just enough to know who the characters are, but that vid blew me away. Sexy and tragic and beautiful.

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Date: 2005-02-09 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] killabeez.livejournal.com
:-D well, thank you again! I'm embarrassed now. But very glad you enjoyed it.

Ares and Xena really snuck up on me, too. They were so smart-ass with each other for so long, and then came the episode where Xena died, and he knelt beside her and started rocking himself over her body, and... yeoww. Everything about them is OTT, but it worked. Like a... Greek tragedy, or something. ;-)

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Date: 2005-02-07 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iconis.livejournal.com
God, I love your journal. Even though I'm not that familiar nor enthusiastic about Buffy, your insight into all the tv shows I love make me want to squeal out loud sometimes. Mostly I just keep squeaking yes and exactly repeatedly to myself when I read your entries.

This entry brought to you by the endless amount of squee resulting from seeing QaFUK!babble on my friendspage. :D

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Date: 2005-02-08 01:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Oh, wow, that is really terrific to hear. Thank you very much.

And yeah, QaFUK... it really is incomparable, it's just so complete and wonderful.

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