Pirates of the Caribbean -- Dead Man's Chest

[butterfly]

I love Will. I love the others, too, I do, but my heart (in these movies) completely belongs to Will. He's just... *waves hands* he's romantic and brave, yet skeptical and questioning. He does horribly stupid things out of loyalty and love. And he just wears it all out there, doesn't try to hide any of it.

Elizabeth was thoroughly Elizabeth. She's a ruthless one, that one is, when she's decided what she needs to do. I was not surprised she used Jack's attraction to her to chain him to the ship (though I think that Will will be, if he finds out).

Jack's interesting -- the Jack in the first movie knew exactly what he wanted and where he was going. This one... quite literally didn't know where he was trying to go. His compass was spinning in useless circles. Very interesting and I really look forward to seeing how it all resolves in the third movie (anyone know when that's coming out?).

I was very intrigued by the way they decided to go with Norrington. If someone had told me what had been planned, I would have been questioning, but I think that it worked, in context. Hmm.

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[nic]

(anyone know when that's coming out?)

I heard May 2007.

And I am with you on the Will love. He is the Hero. :D

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

I heard May 2007.

That is much too far away.

Will was wonderful in this movie!

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[spoke.livejournal.com]

*random stranger wanders in from friends' friendslist*

So much love for Will. It's like, he's learned how to be crafty when he needs to be, but it hasn't changed him. ^_^

Elizabeth creeped me out slightly? Because a few hours after the movie, it occured to me that there's a hole in her logic - she saw Jack rowing away. She saw that, and that the Kraken wasn't immediately going after him, so she had to have known that they could take Jack and get to land. But she did anyway.

And I have this horrible feeling that what happened is exactly what Jack warned her about when they were having their flirty song and dance earlier - she did what she wanted to do, which in this case was get rid of the temptation to be unfaithful to Will. Remember when she was holding the Compass-What-Leads-To-What-You-Want on the island, and it pointed right to Jack? After which she tried to say it was broken?

Erm, not broken. So not broken. So telling her something she didn't want to here, and then she did the immoral piratey selfish thing, and got rid of her problem. And I am so horrified about how Will's going to react, if and when he finds out.

Jack... I'm not sure what to think of what's going on with Jack, because normally it's a hero who behaves like this, in the midst of a moral crisis. It is so utterly wierd to see someone so decisive floundering on the question of what he wants. I guess it was easy when it was just the Pearl, and now they've sailed into deeper waters, so to speak - the religious touches and the Compass, and the East India Trading Company moving in. It's just... strange, and Jack is the Compass in this, I suspect. Whenever they find him, and whatever he chooses when he makes up his mind, that's going to be the direction for everything else?

...okay, and trying to figure out Jack is potentially headache making. We need more background to even figure out what he wants, anyway.

Norrington actually didn't surprise me? It's just.. here is a man who believes in The System, who is a steady and hard worker under the rules, as long as he feels they're legimete. He can't square with being a pirate, because his own self-identification is too Upstanding Citizen.

So, what do you when you're determined to excel within the acceptable moral standards - and they change on you? Change with them.

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[nic]

...okay, and trying to figure out Jack is potentially headache making. We need more background to even figure out what he wants, anyway.

I figure it's something to do with the East India Trading Company (?). SOMETHING significant happened there and I bet it's something Jack hasn't yet dealt with.

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[spoke.livejournal.com]

You know, I had forgotten the conversation Will had with the East India guy? You're probably right.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

So much love for Will. It's like, he's learned how to be crafty when he needs to be, but it hasn't changed him.

Yes! He's pretty much the only one in the movie who didn't stab anyone in the back (though he did try to stab Jack in the front, but he does things like that sometimes). And, oh! What he does at the end, trying to be all noble and "We'll get Jack back," not just to save his friend but also, I think, he's pulling a Norrington and trying to let Elizabeth be with the person he thinks she loves.

Erm, not broken. So not broken. So telling her something she didn't want to here, and then she did the immoral piratey selfish thing, and got rid of her problem. And I am so horrified about how Will's going to react, if and when he finds out.

I agree. She was taking care of her problem, which wasn't quite the same as everyone else's problem (and to go outside what Elizabeth knows, the audience knows that the Kraken is easily sidetracked and is as willing to eat Jack's hat as Jack himself). But, yes, she loves Will, she was finding Jack annoyingly attractive, so to nab two birds with one stone, she got rid of both the danger to Will and to her romance.

And I'm with you on thinking that Will would not agree with her methods.

It's just... strange, and Jack is the Compass in this, I suspect. Whenever they find him, and whatever he chooses when he makes up his mind, that's going to be the direction for everything else?

I like that thought. I also find that I'm really interested in how he got to know Tia Dalma. She's how he got the compass and Davy Jones is how he got the Pearl (and, really, it explains so much to me to learn that Jack was possibly given the title 'captain' rather than truly earning it, because I don't honestly think that he's a very good captain -- Will and Elizabeth were more about motivating and giving orders to the crew, in both the first movie and in this one).

Norrington actually didn't surprise me? It's just.. here is a man who believes in The System, who is a steady and hard worker under the rules, as long as he feels they're legimete. He can't square with being a pirate, because his own self-identification is too Upstanding Citizen.

So, what do you when you're determined to excel within the acceptable moral standards - and they change on you? Change with them.

It does make sense, all of it. I'm just surprised that Disney went there under their own name. It's like... the first time I watched the movie and saw the bird peck out a guy's eye, I said to my friend, "Wow, Disney's gotten hardcore." Disney! People's eyes getting plucked out!

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What he does at the end, trying to be all noble and "We'll get Jack back," not just to save his friend but also, I think, he's pulling a Norrington and trying to let Elizabeth be with the person he thinks she loves.

Oh, wow. I had not thought of that, but it makes sense. Which means Will would be likely to say something about it to her in that context - thereby triggering the inevitable confession and oh, no. Yikes.

and, really, it explains so much to me to learn that Jack was possibly given the title 'captain' rather than truly earning it

That. Is so utterly perfect. omg, it explains everything if he's in love with this shiny idea of being a Pirate Captain and has no clue how it's supposed to work! XD

Suddenly it makes sense that the Pearl's first crew would follow Barbossa into mutiny, too. He is much more piratey, in a way, which they'd probably associate with competency compared with Jack. Poor Jack. ^^;

Possibly Disney going there in the movies didn't surprise me as much because I'd played Kingdom Hearts before seeing the first Pirates movie? Which for all the Disney cuteness, has something of that feel - that, 'Oh look at the cute noble dashing errrr - okay that was bad but nessecary! and scary, yes? - now on with the cute and the noble, and try not to be too spooked by the implications! :D ' ...it's like Disney's take on hardcore has this hyper quality so that you're getting swept along even as you realize that yes, they did go there.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Oh, wow. I had not thought of that, but it makes sense. Which means Will would be likely to say something about it to her in that context - thereby triggering the inevitable confession and oh, no. Yikes.

I really am very curious about where they're planning to go with Elizabeth in the third movie. Because, based on these two movies, I do think that she has a curiosity-based attraction to Jack, but that she truly loves and is attracted to Will. And she wouldn't be happy if Will tried to 'step aside' for her happiness with Jack, but how could she possibly explain that without saying something that might (in her opinion) hopelessly tarnish her in Will's eyes?

That. Is so utterly perfect. omg, it explains everything if he's in love with this shiny idea of being a Pirate Captain and has no clue how it's supposed to work! XD

It really would fit perfectly with the way he behaves.

Suddenly it makes sense that the Pearl's first crew would follow Barbossa into mutiny, too. He is much more piratey, in a way, which they'd probably associate with competency compared with Jack. Poor Jack.

I know! Barbossa really is a proper pirate in a way that Jack isn't. Jack is in it primarily for the freedom. Doesn't mean that he turns down treasure, but it does not seem to be his priority.

...it's like Disney's take on hardcore has this hyper quality so that you're getting swept along even as you realize that yes, they did go there.

Hah, that's a perfect way of describing it.

[gildedmuse.livejournal.com]

Will gave me a bit of a headache. Every time he did something, I winced and slipped further down into my seat. He was sweet, though, and I liked him more than I did in the first one where he just annoyed me, espeically towards the end of the movie. I think he's growing up some, or simply growing on me. I liked him enough, anyway, that Elizabeth is my new least favorite character.

She had it going at first; independent, firey, innovative. The second she finds Jack, though, she started annoying me. I mean, I know most of her flirting was to prove a point, but certainly not all of it was, and I feel cheated (for Will). I mean, he's out there dying and she's flirting a Jack who is even more drunken than usual.

She hurts my head, too, because I like that they did that with her character (instead of just being the perfect, lovely female lead) but I hate her character. If I read her in a book I'd call her "interesting and well done". If I meant her in real life I'd call her a "bitch".

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

It really does make her character all kinds more complicated. I am torn on whether or not I'd like in her RL, because I do enjoy outspoken, gutsy people, even when I disagree with them morally or ethically.

I agree that Will is continuing his growing up process. I'm interested in where his character is going to be in movie three.

[calicokat.livejournal.com]

Elizabeth. @_@ So much love!!

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Elizabeth! She was all interesting in this one. I liked her lots in the first one, but she got a lot of character growth here. And she made an adorable boy.