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[butterfly]

I've been thinking of giving up the TWoP boards. The Xander hate and Spike apologies are just getting to be too much.

Hello, unrepentant murderer? Why think that he wouldn't 'stoop' to rape?

I'd rather be raped than murdered. You have a chance to recover from a rape.

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[elina.livejournal.com]

I haven't ventured into the TWoP Angel/Buffy forums in ages. It got too painful for me to be in there, what with the Deep Bitterness and all.

I've been loving the Smallville forums, however. I think this is partially because it's too early in the series' run for people to be burned out yet. (Although after tonight's ep, there are a few people going "ho-hum", which I totally do not understand.)

<--SV newbie

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Smallville forum is better, yes.

I really do think that the snark has been feeding on itself and has become so poisonous.

And yeah. Um. There was a guy? Who did drawings? I'm still too tramatised by Buffy to remember.

Stooping

[jic]

I tried calling you during the commercial in the middle of the bathroom scene. No answer, so I figured you were ignoring phones in favor of watching.

Gah! Noooooo!

Rape is an act of violence, not passion. I can totally see Spike committing rape (I mean, yeah, like you said, "Hello, unrepentant murderer?"). But on Buffy? I have issues with that. I mean, yeah. I see how Joss meant to build the scene, but, no. You don't do that to someone you actually love. And I'm a B/S shipper, so I'd like to believe he really loves her. But, that doesn't jive with what happened tonight. Shit like that is not about love. It's about anger, and domination, and possession, and humiliation, and denigration, and a bunch of other nasty -ations.

So, somewhere along the line, the love he felt (gotta stick to my illusions somehow) was destroyed, and replaced with something not. Something that was more about his pain than about wanting her to be happy.

I'm sad. I never liked how Buffy treated him once he was chipped. I guess I'm a sucker for unrepentant murderers.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm not a B/Ser in any way, so I don't really think that he loves her in a real way. Just in a selfish, wanting, possessive way. So, it made sense to me. It's not the kind of love that we've seen elsewhere on the show. He might risk himself to save Buffy but in the end, it just reminds me of that vampire in the Angel premiere.

I agree that Buffy's treatment of Spike sucked. Stake him, don't play head games with him.

Re: Stooping

[jic]

I'm with you, now. What happened tonight was NOT love in any way, shape, or form.

But my little sociopathic heart wishes he *used* to love her. In a twisted way not like the agape between the scoobies. Kind of like the cat that brings you dead mice, early on. And like my dad says, "Any lie shouted loud enough and long enough becomes the truth." So, I think he talked himself into loving her, but when she didn't return it, it eventually twisted into pain and possession. But then again, this is the first ep I've seen in months, so I don't really know. I'm happy with my Fanon!Spike.

Vampire in the Angel premiere? The one running Wolfram and Hart?

Re: Stooping

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Which eps have you missed, then?

Nah, the vamp in this season's premiere. The guy who had a heart transplant or something.

Re: Stooping

[jic]

I've missed about a bazillion.

The guy whose love was killed by Angel so he had his heart removed so he was invulnerable for six hours until he turned to dust on his own?

Re: Stooping

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Yep, that one.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

I guess I was too much of a 'where there's life, there's hope' girl to even think about the choice that way.

I can see why you would. But. I wouldn't.

[rorylie.livejournal.com]

The problem is not that we disagree. The problem is not even that you're making an opinion based on something you can't begin to understand the repercussions of, while I know exactly how you feel. My problems is that you knew what happened to me and you didn't and still don't as far as I can see understand how badly what you said here hurts me. I'm exerting the only power I have in a completely powerless situation by choosing to no longer read this because of the amount of pain it has caused me. I will not see a rape icon everytime I look at my friends page, and I hope to never read something from a friend that hurts me as much as this did.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

*sigh*

I am sorry that I hurt you. And I'm sorry that you're choosing to unfriend me.

But those are my feelings and this is my journal. And I have as much right to express them as you do your feelings, which have hurt me on occasion.

I do still love you and I will still read your journal if it stays public.

[rorylie.livejournal.com]

Maybe all I wanted was for you to think about the power that your words have. I would never have said anything if I hadn't felt attacked.

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[butterfly.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry that you feel like I attacked you. All I can say is that I didn't intentionally hurt you and I never would.