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[butterfly]

I like the ME titles. Not as much as I enjoy the Andromeda titles (though I think that those have actually become the best part of the show on occasion, which isn't such a good thing), but quite a lot. There's always an obvious meaning and usually some deeper ones (though not in BtVS S1... he hadn't gotten the knack, yet. Though I do enjoy The Pack's two packs - the villain one and also the one forming between Buffy/Willow/Xander/Giles (which even corresponds to a hyena pack by having a female leader)).

So, what does Unleashed mean? Honestly, I'll need a while to think about that. Have some thoughts, but they haven't gelled yet.

We were reminded that all of the AI team are willing to be as ruthless as they need to be. Not a surprise... we saw these people in S4. We do know them and that they are willing to do what it takes. And it seems that though Angel wiped their memories, it didn't change the fact that their way of dealing with the world had evolved. Nothing that happened in S4 unhappened, they just don't remember any of it.

We just had the credits group in this episode - no Harmony, no Knox, no Eve. This was very much a family episode, starting with suspicious conversations in the dark but ending in group dinner planning. And everyone got to see Angel's place for the first time. Wesley seemed to be suspicious of both Fred (too close to Knox) and Gunn (too close to the Senior Partners) in the beginning. Angel, on the other hand, he seems to still trust explicitly, which makes me go 'ouch' if they have him remember things. Because that's a huge betrayal of trust.

And Spike confirmed that one of the reasons he went to Fred is because he figured that Wes would tell Angel. I adored that fake history. Hilarious stuff. I remember believing at the beginning (though going 'and you made that up for this episode') and then eventually just going, "Oh, come on." Hee.

Like that Hell's trying to suck Spike in. And not just because I'm petty, but also because it's a cool plotline for them to explore.

Still liked Nina. And I like that there are different kinds of werewolves. That's interesting. And smart of them to say. And seeing werewolvism from the inside was fascinating. And poor Nina, deciding that the only way to keep the people she loved was to keep them ignorant (*coughangelyouidiot*cough*). And you know, I get the reunion. The sister did the angry thing and she was probably worried that she'd driven Nina away and she wasn't going to do that again. Hence, smiles and hugs. Also, didn't really mind Angel/Wes/Spike not mentioning Oz, because none of them knew Oz that well. Xander would have mentioned Oz, but there is a lack of Xander on Angel.

I'm trying to feel bad for the guy who might have been eaten, but he was going to eat a person and somehow, my sympathy kinda goes away. I mean, that would be a horrible and torturous way to die, so I do hope that he didn't die that way, but there's still a feeling of 'brought it on yourself'. Which is probably what Angel was feeling. About all three of the guys that he's killed in these first three eps. Guessing that's a bad way to go and that Angel'll learn. But I don't feel as bad about it as I did about the lawyer massacre (I'm sure that I remember someone in there serving drinks. He might not have been evil!).

Comments

[starsprinkles.livejournal.com]

I feel somewhat bad for him, though sort of not, like you said -- but I *do* feel bad for the werewolf Angel killed in the beginning without question. I mean.. how did Angel know he wasn't a good guy? He probably was, 28 days out of the month. I mean sure, he didn't have a tranq gun with him but.. It was like he didn't even consider anything besides killing him, you know?

What I don't get about the whole not-remembering thing is.. well pretty much the whole thing. Heh. I mean, if it all happened but they don't remember, does that mean Wes and Gunn don't hate each other? Does Wes remember being ostracized and his affair with Lilah? Are they aware Angel turned evil again for a while? Do they remember the Beast? And why exactly do they think Cordy's in a coma?

It seems like undoing a lot of memories would be a lot harder than making them up, a la Dawn.

[katienyc.livejournal.com]

I know! I'm *dying* to know what they remember and what they don't remember. Is the whole thing just a blank? Do they have new/false memories instead? I want to knoooooooooooooow.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Ditto. I'm really fascinated by the way it seemed to work - Wes' personality seems to be early S3, but his appearance is S4. Gunn doesn't seem to be into Fred much, though he did show a reaction to the Knox under/on top of thing. They should be able to remember their relationship and its demise, since it wasn't connected to Connor. The question is whether he erased Connor or whether he erased all of that time period. Which spell would be easier? Do they have hand-made new memories or is it more like what I suspect the Dawn situation was, where the monks probably just cast a spell to slip the memory of Dawn in wherever it wouldn't really change things? Did they take out Connor and then let the AI gang's mind take over from there?

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Well, werewolf guy was a killer ('for the last six months, he's been leaving corpses like breadcrumbs') who'd given up on trying to fight the monster. Would have been nice if they could have saved him, but it might have been too late. Maybe, maybe not.

And the not-remembering sorta makes sense to me. If I don't think about it too hard.

If you want Xander or at least attempt to go to Angel...

[xander-harris.livejournal.com]

http://www.petitiononline.com/ab8c0973/petition.html

Don't know if it'll do anything. But wouldn't hurt would it?

- Xand

Re: If you want Xander or at least attempt to go to Angel...

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Ooo. Petitions are fun.