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First off, I never saw Buffy as a bitch in this episode. I remember the first time I watched it and I was still so furious at Faith for what she'd done. It was tantamount to rape. She took Buffy's body. Even had sex with Buffy's body. She was planning on stealing Buffy's life and she sentenced Buffy to be hauled off by the police.

Oh, I was so much on Buffy's side during the first-run of Sanctuary.

I was so astonished when I realized that some people didn't understand Buffy's anger in the episode. "Oh, Faith's asked for help, so Buffy should just fall over herself to help." Then again, some people hate Buffy for not falling in love with a guy who tried to kill her and her friends several times, so I guess there are some things that I will never see like some people do.

Everything that Buffy feels in this episode resonates with me... still does now. Only this time, it's even worse because I've got this love for Wesley, too. I mean, I hurt for the poor guy tortured by Faith, but he wasn't my Wesley yet, so it wasn't quite the same.

Buffy came to L.A. because she thought Faith was trying to kill Angel. She found them hugging. Angel didn't even deny that Faith had tried to kill him, just said that she'd changed. Well, Buffy missed the break-down in the rain, Angel, so maybe you should excuse the fact that she finds that a little less than believable. Yeah, she probably does know that Faith was doing it a lot out of self-hate. That doesn't change what Faith did to her.

And then Angel hits her to protect Faith from her. Buffy here reminds me of Darla's incredibly hurt - "You were saving missionaries... from me." Subtext - "You chose someone else over me." No matter what, that's always going to be a blow. And to have it be someone that you absolutely despise at the moment... Buffy says that Faith made her feel like a victim. That no one else had ever done that. And I get that. Faith's theft of Buffy's body was probably the worst thing that had happened to her at that point, because she had no control at all over it. Faith stole Buffy's body, her identity, and did it in a way that tried to make sure that Buffy wouldn't have a chance to get anything back. Buffy got spit on by the Council Guys. No matter how horrible the battle, Buffy was always treated with at least a little respect by her foes once they knew what she was. As Faith, she had no respect. And that's not something that Buffy would take lightly. She would never have let anyone treat her like that, and because of Faith, she had no choice.

And then, God, Angel even doubts that she'd try to protect Faith. Doesn't he know Buffy? Even when she's with someone she hates, her first instinct is to protect. That's Buffy. She wanted Faith in a jail cell, not dead.

I wonder if that's where Faith got the idea to turn herself in - Buffy told her not to apologize, but mentioned that jail was where she wanted Faith.

And B was pretty much the only person that Faith tried to make anything up to. Not that I'm still bitter over the Xander thing.

Well, maybe a little.

...I would have punched Faith in Dirty Girls, if I were Buffy. Because she did deserve one good punch. The second, at the club, was probably too much, but I totally give her the first one.

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Date: 2003-11-25 07:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Yeah. I think it has so many layers to it. I'm more of a book person, than TV really. But Buffy, Angel and Felicity have that ability to keep me watching.

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Date: 2003-11-25 07:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Felicity was good. I stopped watching... why? You know, I don't even remember why I stopped watching.

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Date: 2003-11-25 07:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Oh goodness, you have, HAVE, to watch every episode. There are so many emotions in the show, it isn't even some cheesy soap opera on college life. The last season, especially the finale made me so sad. I felt everything she went through had so much relation to my life.

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Date: 2003-11-25 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Is it coming out on dvd? First season's out, at least, right? I should get that. I'll probably have enough money after my birthday tomorrow.

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Date: 2003-11-25 10:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Happy Birthday by the way, I remember you had the same birthday as my dad but I kept forgetting to wish you happy birthday.

Yes season one is out and season two should be as well. They've been out for almost a year and a bit now. I hope you get them and happy viewing.

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Date: 2003-11-25 10:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Oh, thank you very much. It's a good one - twenty-one.

And I'll definitely have to get it as a birthday present to myself.

I do remember very much liking Felicity and both the guys and... fuck. The cute boss... he was gay? I have a suck memory for names.

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Date: 2003-11-25 10:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Ooooh Javier. Oh my gosh he's a classic, that guy. And did you watch My big fat greeek wedding? I almost died when I saw him in the show. And he's married to the lead actress in MBFGW. Felicity is so pretty and demure in the show, and Noel and Ben complemented different sides of her. I'm very much a Felicity/Ben shipper, oh gosh, you could get me going for hours on them and yet really, I started out liking Noel with Felicity. If you get the DVD soon, you have to watch the episode where they're all studying for finals. Noel and Felicity making out, the scene where he gets an allergic reaction to something Meghan gave him, it's a classic.

Happy twenty-first. I hope you go out and have a special day. LOL. I remember not doing anything for mine. That was mostly because I was very new and alone in a foreign country and hardly knew the people I was with. But the birthdays after that have all been really good.

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Date: 2003-11-25 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Javier, yeah! He was totally cool. I loved MBFGW. Brilliant movie.

I think I liked both F/B and F/N.

I plan to. I'm going over to my mom's and then I'm having a big family dinner where I get presents. It's a fun time.

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Date: 2003-11-26 03:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
I think he was bloody brilliant. And he sounds and acts so different in MBFGW too.

F/B and F/N bring out different things in each other, it's hard not to like either one.

Hooray for presents. I hope you get lots.

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Date: 2003-11-26 10:25 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
F/B and F/N bring out different things in each other, it's hard not to like either one.

That is the absolute most impressive way to do a triangle.

And thanks. They're nice to get.

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Date: 2003-11-26 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
LOL. I don't think anyone likes the idea of a triangle, and poor Noel, loving her for almost four years and finally getting her, but she goes back to Ben. Did you watch the season finale or hear of it? I think the ending was a very good one, full of closure for the three of them. I'm optimistic enough to believe that it's open enough though for a possible new show about them *hopes hard*

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Date: 2003-11-28 03:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Mmm. Poor Noel.

I didn't, actually. I'm glad that it ended well.

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Date: 2003-11-30 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Yeah poor Noel. But he got his own love in the end. Which is so wonderful and happy. Ben and Felicity always belonged together though.

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Date: 2003-11-30 07:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Was that the chick that he married or did he end up with someone else?

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Date: 2003-11-30 07:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Eh, it's Zoe. I think you're thinking about Natalie but that never worked out in any way but fianancially, he got a huge chunk of cash after the divorce, something in the quarter million range I'm thinking. He almost married Ruby as well but that didn't pan out. Anyway he met Zoe while working, there were problems because she was the boss' daughter but it came right in the end.

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Date: 2003-11-30 07:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Right. Zoe. I have no clue who that is. Another very good reason to watch the show over again.

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Date: 2003-11-30 07:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Well, she's a new character, you don't miss much till season four. But it's always fun to watch Felicity. Doesn't matter for what reason.

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Date: 2003-11-30 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
True. Fun show. And now that we've talked about it, I'm definitely missing it. And definitely planning on picking up the first season on dvd.

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Date: 2003-11-30 08:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Hee, so would you be doing screen caps? I've never been able to find good screen caps of Felicity. I think Felicity icons would be so wonderful.

And LOL, I can't believe I've not managed to pick up the DVDs yet. Alas, they are mad expensive for me.

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Date: 2003-11-30 08:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Hmm. That could totally be fun.

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Date: 2003-11-30 09:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kittykatz.livejournal.com
Hee. I definitely look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show as you watch.

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