Stargate questions:

[butterfly]

So, apparently Daniel (Oh! So pretty and smart and with glasses!) leaves the show for a while (Noooo!). When does this happen and how long does it last? I'm just, just starting first season here, but I'd like to be prepared.

Also, why is there a need to announce lack of guilt in loving Daniel? Is there a faction that feels as though people should feel guilty?

Is there some sort of comprehensive fandom guide hovering around somewhere where they explain these things or do I need to piece it together the way I did the Ray Ways in dS?

And if I asked really nicely, would someone make me a Daniel-type icon?

Comments

[destina.livejournal.com]

Well, let's see. Daniel leaves rather dramatically at the end of season five, but he's back full-time in season seven. He makes three appearances in season six, one of which is a very popular episode for the J/D slashers. *g*

There is a significant segment of fandom devoted to worshipping, infantilizing, feminizing and/or sainting Daniel. You'll run across them sooner or later if you're in fandom any length of time, and you can see this in much of the fiction. It's annoying in the extreme. So Daniel-worshipping fans are greeted with suspicion until they are understood to be in the 'not rabid' category.

Comprehensive fandom guides...no. I keep up the fanon vs. canon primer, which is useful in sorting out certain things.
http://www.lyricalmagic.com/fanoncanon.html

For total show information, Arduinna's Handbook is a fabulous resource.
http://www.trickster.org/arduinna/stargate/

Otherwise, you'll mostly have to ask questions, I think. There's always someone around to answer. *g*

As for the icon, I'll be back shortly with a couple for you.

And now to do first things second.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Daniel leaves rather dramatically at the end of season five, but he's back full-time in season seven. He makes three appearances in season six, one of which is a very popular episode for the J/D slashers.

Very good to know. So, I don't have to worry about him leaving any time soon for me. And then he's only gone for most of a season?

There is a significant segment of fandom devoted to worshipping, infantilizing, feminizing and/or sainting Daniel. You'll run across them sooner or later if you're in fandom any length of time, and you can see this in much of the fiction. It's annoying in the extreme. So Daniel-worshipping fans are greeted with suspicion until they are understood to be in the 'not rabid' category.

Ah, yes. Worship can get boring and/or annoying. Though I can understand why he has rabid fans. I've only known him for three episodes and I adore him.

Thank you so much for the links.

[destina.livejournal.com]

Iconage. These are pretty basic because I made them quickly, but if you want one or two, take your pick. :)

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Ooo! Thank you so much!

[katie-m.livejournal.com]

Also, why is there a need to announce lack of guilt in loving Daniel? Is there a faction that feels as though people should feel guilty?

Destina pretty much covered it. I also think (though I came into the fandom when this had all mostly died down) that there are a lot of lingering issues from the year that MS took off--there was a big campaign to try to get his character back, hurt feelings, fandom-wide bloodshed, etc. etc.

It's somewhat like being a Spike fan, actually--the ritualized "but not in a crazy way, you understand" thing.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Destina pretty much covered it. I also think (though I came into the fandom when this had all mostly died down) that there are a lot of lingering issues from the year that MS took off--there was a big campaign to try to get his character back, hurt feelings, fandom-wide bloodshed, etc. etc.

Which worked, apparently. That must have been very nice for the rabid fans. Proof that Good Will Out and such.

It's somewhat like being a Spike fan, actually--the ritualized "but not in a crazy way, you understand" thing.

*blinks innocently*

There are non-crazy Spike fans? Gosh.

*grins*

[katie-m.livejournal.com]

Oh, sure! At least two. Possibly three!

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Oh, what Destina and Katie said. If you check out the savedanieljackson.com site, for example - it's like, obviously you *agree* with these people that Daniel's an integral part of the show and that he should return (oh, and it seems the reasons for leaving were pretty messy, MS declaring the character was being sidelined and he was leaving if that didn't stop, writers calling his bluff) - but, they seem to think Daniel is the be-all and end-all of Stargate.

Sadly for the power of fannishness, it's my belief that the reason MS came back is primarily because they knew RDA's shooting schedule was going to have to be drastically reduced in S7 (don't cry, it's still a good season) and they needed a character they could bank on to bring in the fans, as well as Sam and Teal'c.

Anyway, yeah - it seems everyone was ecstatic about MS's return, but people still qualify it with 'not like I'm one of those rabid SDJers or anything'. The SDJ site also has a rather higher proportion of out-and-proud slasher articles than I think is a good idea for appealing to the PTB.

St. Daniel is a huge thing in fanon. *shudders* As well as Everyone Is Horrible To Daniel And Doesn't Appreciate His Brilliance.

...wait a minute, why have I *never* seen a "That Daniel - He's like Jesus, in a way" icon? That catchphrase was made for him.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

It's a shame that the rabidness is so up front that people feel the need to qualify their love.

It really does seem like every fandom has at least one group that the rest hides from in sheer embarrassment (so the SDJ people are a bit like the people who showed the naked Merry/Pippin picture to Boyd and Monahan?).

St. Daniel is a huge thing in fanon. *shudders* As well as Everyone Is Horrible To Daniel And Doesn't Appreciate His Brilliance.

And he... ascends or something, yes? That probably complicates the issue further. And it's odd for me, because in the Buffyverse, ascending always ends up being something bad.

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Oh, I wouldn't call Daniel's ascension such a good career move either. You'll see.

(Funny thing, Daniel's three appearances in S6 could be described quite slashily, if one's into the whole misogynist slasher thing:

Abyss: J/D slash extraordinaire.
The Changeling: Quite Daniel/Teal'c-y.
Full Circle: Daniel acts like a complete twat to Sam.)

MS, at least, has definitely been asked to sign J/D photomanips. He's done it though he says they squick him. The Lotr boys seem much more comfortable with the slash thing. (And hey, after Elijah was on Graham Norton and Graham got out those F/S naked photomanips and got the cameraman to do a closeup, what more can happen?)

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Oh, I wouldn't call Daniel's ascension such a good career move either. You'll see.

Tease.

[lornelover.livejournal.com]

Hey, got pointed over here by viciouswishes, though I think a lot of your questions have already been answered. I got into the fandom less than a year ago, and was a rabid Daniel fan, but I'm a little more sane now. I've come to love Jonas, too (should I even tell you about Jonas?). Ah, you will learn about Jonas. Generally, most Daniel fans are anti-Jonas, especially the J/D slashers, but really, give him a chance. He's kinda cute, even.

As far as sites go, stargatefan (http://www.stargatefan.com) is usually my first stop. They've got screengrabs, episode synopses, transcripts, though not everything for every episode. otherplaces (http://www.otherplaces.net) is a favorite, too.

And icons? stargate_icons is a good place to start. There's some good talent over there, representing a multitude of ships, even the odd faction of slashers that have started inanimate object slash. Siler/Wrench OTP! Daniel/Rock 4 EVAH!

Welcome to the fandom. ;)

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Jonas. Hmm. What whales are swallow him?

Thanks for the links. I'm even now exploring them.

[mekare-enra.livejournal.com]

He leaves at the end of season 5, and he guest stars in season 6 for a few episodes, then returns in full for season 7 :) So you've got a while to go yet! :D

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Considering how much I adore him after three episodes, I'm glad that when I go into the Daniel-lite season I'll already know he's coming back.

[thepouncer.livejournal.com]

I know of no comprehensive fandom guide, but I think others have covered the basics. A while back I put together a list of links for a friend who was just getting into SG-1, it's here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/thepouncer/119029.html). There are some good general reference sites listed, as well as fanfiction recommendation pages.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Ooo! Thank you.

[sneezydove.livejournal.com]

I -so- love that you're into Stargate now. *bounces*

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

It's shiny.

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

Because these people are scary (http://forums.delphiforums.com/ourstargate/start). Go there to find out how Sam steals Daniel's brain and there's an evil conspiracy afoot to stop him being IN EVERY SINGLE SHOT OMG!

Meh. Some of the Danielfen are scary bastards. And they eat shippers (all kinds) for breakfast. With jam.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

Go there to find out how Sam steals Daniel's brain and there's an evil conspiracy afoot to stop him being IN EVERY SINGLE SHOT OMG!

*tilts head*

But Sam and Daniel practically mind-meld in the first episode. She's totally as smart as he is.

Oh. Wait. I'm using logic, aren't I?