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I have quite a few comments to respond to - and I will, though probably not tonight, as I'm heading out in a few minutes - last dinner before my cousin leaves to go back to New York.

Saw RotK again last night.

Anyone else notice how the ending songs - May It Be, Gollum's Song, and then Into the West are all directed to Frodo? Frodo is the 'you' in all three of the songs.

Also, after a touch of reflection, I've decided that as Gollum's Song is Smeagol/Gollum's feelings for Frodo at the end of the Two Towers, so Into the West is Sam's feelings for Frodo at the end of Return of the King. Certain phrases jump out at me - "You and I will meet again," in particular. It's Sam's promise - his Mr. Frodo may need to leave, to follow the call of the sea, but Frodo is going where Sam will, one day, follow.

Man, I love these movies so much.

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Date: 2003-12-27 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resmin.livejournal.com
*sniff*

You go on to dinner, I'll just sit here and have happy Sam/Frodo thoughts.

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Date: 2003-12-28 09:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Sam/Frodo is, indeed, an amazing love - through fire and water and shadow and poison they were bound ever more closely, until, in the end, there is no place that Frodo could go where Sam could not follow, even to the Undying Lands themselves.

"Man, I love these movies so much."

Date: 2003-12-27 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] honorh.livejournal.com
Couldn't have said it better myself, so I quoted you. Yes, all the songs do, in their way, belong to Frodo, and I think you're onto something with "Into the West." I'm so glad Sam got to join him in Valinor. While Sam was married to Rosie--a good marriage, to be sure, a loving marriage, and one that produced 13 children--Frodo was, in a way, the great love of Sam's life. I don't do slash for those two, but the bond between them transcended friendship or even brotherhood. So it's only right that they would spend undying days together after all was said and done.

Re: "Man, I love these movies so much."

Date: 2003-12-28 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Sam's love for Rosie was his love for all that is green and good in this world, while his love for Frodo is more akin to his longing for elves - they're both strong loves, but one will die, as all things in nature do, and one will not, as magic does not. Transcendence, as you say.

yes, I noticed that.

Date: 2003-12-28 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com
Also, the music vid of Gollum's Song on the theatrical realease DVD of TTT is basically a Gollum/Frodo video, and I expect the music vid of Into the West will be Sam/Frodo.

Re: yes, I noticed that.

Date: 2003-12-28 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
It should be, yeah. There's so much... longing and love in the song.

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