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There are so many things that I want to say. I have worlds tumbling through my head, asking for clarification. Asking for words.

I love them all. All my fictions, all my brilliant, wonderful lies that help me to endure the truth of this world and illuminate its beauty. We are all searching for something worthy, for hope, for surprise.

In Angel the Series, Joss' atheism shines, bitter and dark and wanting so hard to believe.

"You couldn't even tell a scared little girl a beautiful lie." (Sense and Sensitivity)

The truth as we were told in the series was that Fred's soul was destroyed, that Illyria was all that was left. It's certainly what Wesley believed.

"Would you like me to lie to you now?"

Each main character had their own personal journey. Each of the ones still living got the chance to find their core. Angel had his son, Spike had... himself in all his glory. Lindsey had his fairy tale girl who gave up everything for him. Gunn went to see his people, the people he'd started the fight for, but what he found was the echo of what Buffy had left in LA. Lorne had a song and a stage -- what he left Pylea to find. Wesley and Illyria, though, only had each other.

One last day. Then, some things are lies and some are real, and people die and people leave and this is the way the world lives and breathes and continues.

The title of the episode is a promise -- if we have only this short time left, let us make it something to remember. Even the people who hate the ending will remember it.

So many words in the episode did feel like they were being written for the fans, from the fans, because Joss and his writers love these characters, too. They are fans, just ones that got to play with the show more directly. "People who don't care will never understand people who do."

To fall back onto metaphor -- Angel ends up in an alley again, with his grieving emotions (Illyria) and his soul (Spike) and with his wounded mission (Gunn). These are the only people who stand with him because these are the things he takes with him as he charges forward. Hope (Connor) is safely away, alive and aware. Humanity (Wesley) dies by choice -- Angel signs it away and Wesley goes to his fight with only a really short knife and a spell that only works after he gets a mortal wound. The soulless aspect (Harmony) has been sent away, for it has no place in the fight and yet there are bigger battles to fight. Destiny (Lindsey) is killed by knowledge (Lorne), and romance (Eve) has nowhere to go after that, and dies in the ruins of Angel's victory.

But each of them is, of course, much bigger than one word.

I ache so for poor, broken Wesley. And yes, I do believe that he chose the manner of his own death -- he would surely count it better than the last time he almost died, his throat slit as he made a mistake. His love for the people he believes in, needs to believe in, glimmers so darkly and wet, like blood on glass, clarity stained by his heart. For all that, Wesley chooses well when he loves -- both Angel and Fred were worth believing in. Here, he dies for one, while he allows himself to die in the arms of the other. Wesley was a tragic and romantic figure. For he loved both unwisely and far too well. Wesley goes past the limit for the people he loves -- for Lilah, for Fred, and above all else, for Angel.

I ache, too, for Lindsey, who centered his world around Angel. Who thought, hoped, dreamed that he mattered as much to Angel as Angel did to him. But Angel has never trusted Lindsey, never respected him. Lindsey's story, too, was a tragic romance.

There are three people who walk away from the fight -- Lorne, Harmony, and Connor. Lorne, because the price became too high, because the line that Angel asked him to cross was too far. He crossed it anyway, for the sake of Angel, and then left. Harmony was never part of the fight -- she couldn't ever truly be. She claims that if they'd trusted her, she wouldn't have turned on them, and I would point at Disharmony. Connor, though, was sent away. Sent to live as a beacon of hope and life and as Angel's human immortality. They are the three paths of survival -- despair, betrayal, and hope.

I love my dead, gay show.

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Date: 2004-05-20 05:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shayheyred.livejournal.com
Although I did not care for the final moments of the show, I respect the fact that many others did. But I adore your analysis.

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Date: 2004-05-20 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you.

And it's definitely not an ending for everyone. It's not due South, my 'happy ending' fandom. Angel has always been about the dark and broken ones.

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Date: 2004-05-20 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ros-fod.livejournal.com
And I love your brain.
*licks it thoroughly*

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Date: 2004-05-20 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Aw... you are the sweetest.

(and wasn't Connor wonderful? "You drop by for a cup of coffee and the world isn't ending? Please.")

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Date: 2004-05-20 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterlive.livejournal.com
You're brilliant. I want you to know that. I have no better words, really, because I'm an emotional train wreck right now, but you're brilliant.

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Date: 2004-05-20 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you, very much.

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beledibabe.livejournal.com
Love your analysis -- very perceptive.

And your icon? Makes me weak at the knees, both from the photo and the quote.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you.

And yes, wow, the icon feels even more appropriate now that both of the people in it are dead.

*sniffles*

They died in each other's arms.

*sniffles*

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chickwriter.livejournal.com
I totally heart your analysis. It's totally amazing. I am in awe of your brain. And I echo Carla's sentiment about your icon - it's lovely.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you, for both the compliments.

I really will miss having new Angels. So much.

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swmbo.livejournal.com
Oh, that was just lovely. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
You're very welcome.

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_dellamore/
Here via the lovely [livejournal.com profile] ros_fod. And I can't thank you enough for giving shape--words--to the confused tangle of things I've been feeling. Beautiful, warm insights here. I'm going to clutch them tight as I try to weather this post-Angel storm of emotion. *sigh* Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
You're very welcome.

Writing down emotions, writing down losses, it does help me. My way of offering tribute to the fallen and fighting heroes.

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raveninthewind.livejournal.com
have worlds tumbling through my head, asking for clarification.
I can't stop mulling over the show, and I guess that's what makes Joss Whedon such an effective writer. His work is worth debating and caring about.

he would surely count it better than the last time he almost died, his throat slit as he made a mistake

I agree, but that still wasn't good enough for Wesley. He deserved better, even if it is fitting dramatic choice that he didn't get a better death.

Lorne, because the price became too high, because the line that Angel asked him to cross was too far. He crossed it anyway, for the sake of Angel, and then left.

I think Lorne feel despair and disillusionment, but he's also the classic Witness to Important Events, vital as a narrator and keeper of history. He has also functioned as "fifth business."

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
I can't stop mulling over the show, and I guess that's what makes Joss Whedon such an effective writer. His work is worth debating and caring about.

Yes -- he hurts us and makes us laugh and cry, but above all, his worlds are doors to thought and belief and debate and caring.

I agree, but that still wasn't good enough for Wesley. He deserved better, even if it is fitting dramatic choice that he didn't get a better death.

I'm not sure he could have accepted better. Wesley was so very, very broken.

I think Lorne feel despair and disillusionment, but he's also the classic Witness to Important Events, vital as a narrator and keeper of history. He has also functioned as "fifth business."

As shown in Spin the Bottle. I definitely agree.

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Date: 2004-05-20 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] luvs-phoenix.livejournal.com
Beautiful write up luv. Excellent.

((hugs))

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xander-harris.livejournal.com
Friend of mine made this point last night when we were talking about Angel giving up the prophecy.

What if he didn't?

What if by signing the Shanshu prophecy, he actually assured him getting it. Since it was always between Spike and Angel.

Other theory was he signed it away and Spike will become human.

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Date: 2004-05-20 08:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
It's impossible to say. I'm not sure that I believe that prophecies can be signed away. It was a gesture from Angel to the Black Thorn.

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Date: 2004-05-20 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com
You're the High Priestess of Analysis.

That is all.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Aw... Thank you so much.

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Date: 2004-05-20 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roguewords.livejournal.com
More crying. And going to share your wonderfull anaylsis with the people on my friends list. Hope you don't mind.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Not at all. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-20 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teenes.livejournal.com
To fall back onto metaphor -- Angel ends up in an alley again, with his grieving emotions (Illyria) and his soul (Spike) and with his wounded mission (Gunn). These are the only people who stand with him because these are the things he takes with him as he charges forward. Hope (Connor) is safely away, alive and aware. Humanity (Wesley) dies by choice -- Angel signs it away and Wesley goes to his fight with only a really short knife and a spell that only works after he gets a mortal wound. The soulless aspect (Harmony) has been sent away, for it has no place in the fight and yet there are bigger battles to fight. Destiny (Lindsey) is killed by knowledge (Lorne), and romance (Eve) has nowhere to go after that, and dies in the ruins of Angel's victory.

Sorry for quoting so extensively, only to add a line of reaction, but - that's brilliant. Had to repeat it 'cause there's nothing to cut out of it. Wow.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
A lot of people like that paragraph, I've noticed.

Some of them were obvious to me -- Illyria/Fred not as 'heart' but as 'emotion', Connor as 'hope'. Others only came to me as I wrote -- only after Lindsey clicked as 'destiny' did I realize that Eve was 'romance'.

Spike's is one of my favorites -- the soul, the goldfish, the beam of light. I love souled Spike so very much.

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Date: 2004-05-20 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meret.livejournal.com
Brilliant commentary. :)

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-20 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silly-cleo.livejournal.com
This is just wonderful. Thank you. I may cry again though.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:20 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you. And you're welcome. And... *hugs*

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Date: 2004-05-21 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowcat
Oh wow...*weep*

I love the picture you painted and your analogies. I've friended you (I like your writing style) and have linked to this from my LJ. Thank you so much for writing this.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you and you're very welcome. I feel all kinds of flattered.

I miss them so much and yet... oh, they ended it the only way they could, it was right and perfect and so very Angel.

Sheer poetry (and semi-effulgent, too!)

Date: 2004-05-21 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] revdorothyl.livejournal.com
Wonderful, butterfly, just wonderful. I'd grasped that Connor embodied Angel's hope (which was why the Black Thorns' attempt to take hope from him could be met with almost a shrug and an "I don't care" from Angel), but I'd also seen him as embodying Angel's humanity (to the extent that Angel truly WANTED humanity -- he'd turned down ordinary mortal-strength humanity when it was given to him in season 1 -- but Connor's human-with-demon-strength-and-power humanity comes much closer to the only sort of humanity Angel could really be content with now, one might argue).

You've given me some new possibilities to ponder, with your description of Wesley as Angel's true humanity, etc..

And I totally agree about Joss Whedon's atheism shining through in the "Lie to Me" aspects of this show and the Buffyverse in general.

Re: Sheer poetry (and semi-effulgent, too!)

Date: 2004-05-21 09:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Wonderful, butterfly, just wonderful. I'd grasped that Connor embodied Angel's hope (which was why the Black Thorns' attempt to take hope from him could be met with almost a shrug and an "I don't care" from Angel), but I'd also seen him as embodying Angel's humanity (to the extent that Angel truly WANTED humanity -- he'd turned down ordinary mortal-strength humanity when it was given to him in season 1 -- but Connor's human-with-demon-strength-and-power humanity comes much closer to the only sort of humanity Angel could really be content with now, one might argue).

You've given me some new possibilities to ponder, with your description of Wesley as Angel's true humanity, etc..


The reason that it works for me is because Angel lacked hope until Connor existed. Connor was his hope the moment that he learned of Connor's existence -- but his humanity was around before that, aching and bleeding and yearning.

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Date: 2004-05-21 04:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nicole-anell.livejournal.com
Got here from [livejournal.com profile] koshkaphoenix's journal. All your analyses and comments are brilliant and awakening all kinds of ideas in my brain.

Which is a random, totally unrelated segue into: would you mind if I took that whole "fall back onto metaphor" paragraph and tried to make icons out of it or something? Not sure if I even will, but I thought I'd ask. That's just... wow.

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Date: 2004-05-21 09:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you very much.

Oh, dude, feel totally free. Though, if you do, I'd want a 'Wesley as Angel's humanity' icon.

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Date: 2004-05-22 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soundingsea.livejournal.com
Lovely, lovely metaphors.

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Date: 2004-05-22 02:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-22 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-royal-anna.livejournal.com
What a gorgeous post. Thank so much for making an extraordinary story richer still. I've loved this Buffyverse for its consistency of metaphor, both deliberate and incidental, and you've found a metaphor heart to this story that is beautiful and achingly dear.

No wonder this series leaves me with such a warm, brilliant afterglow, when the people I've been privileged to watch it alongside have made it matter so much. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-05-23 05:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com
Oh, wow, you're welcome. I just so adore exploring the possibilities and wonders of these worlds. God, I'm going to miss new episodes so much, yet there's still so much to work with, right here.

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