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butterflySo, when I first heard about the whole Chiana is Karen Shaw thing, I laughed in utter delight.
There's a twisted circle going on -- Chiana sleeps with John, therefore, when John meets Chiana, he feels inexplicably close to her and ends up saving her life. He treats her like a person and is mostly just damn cool. Therefore, she falls in love with him (she totally does). Therefore, she sleeps with him when she has the chance, when he's young. So, because she wants him, he trusts her and because he trusts her, she wants him.
I wonder how the whole thing would have turned out without Aeryn's involvement, because they have such an interesting relationship. Though perhaps it wouldn't be as interesting were Aeryn not there. Because John comes to love Chiana and he's definitely sexually attracted to her, but he's In Love with Aeryn, capital letters. But since I don't believe in that one One True Love, Now and Forever, Souls Connecting Across the Great Divide, I wonder what might have happened if he'd met (well, known that he'd met) Chiana first.
Hell, just Chiana's presence was a disruption. I'm sure that someone said (on a commentary?) that originally she was just supposed to be a one-episode character, but they liked her so much that they brought her on permanently. Now, the John/Aeryn juggernaut was already in motion at that time (in the very next episode, they have sex, I believe), but Chiana has a definite effect on everyone. She adds a certain unstability to the whole enterprise.
Recently re-watched Taking the Stone, which I adore, and Chiana and John's relationship is shown in all its dysfunctional glory there. John's already started going crazy, as we find out in Crackers Don't Matter, but even taking that into account, he's so damn intense with Chi here. "No matter what you want, you cannot want to die." Fully willing to override her stated wishes and break his previously given word if it'll just keep her alive.
Because I think that part of him does want to treat her as a kid sister (because he loves Aeryn, he really does), but that sexual energy crackles between them (and his body, as we find out in Kansas, knows her already), and his touches on her aren't those of a sibling.
None of John's relationships in the UT are without complications.
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Date: 2004-09-03 11:55 am (UTC)monkeyFarscape love right there. I also always thought at least part of the rivalry between John and D'Argo, at least a little bit, was over Chiana, because while she sleeps with D'Argo, I don't get the feeling she'd cheat on John like that -- he's got a bigger place in her heart. Early Chiana feels a bit, re cast dynamics, like S2 Spike to me -- someone who was supposed to come in and shake things up and leave, but who shook things up so well -- and was so magnetic -- they just had to be written into the show.I frankly got annoyed that the show focused so much on the One True Love between John and Aeryn (I'm not so hot on the One True Love, Now and Forever, Souls Connecting Across the Great Divide thesis either) and ESPECIALLY Aeryn's pregnancy (we have a strong compelling female character. Let's knock her up!). That wasn't what the show was abt at first at all, I think -- to me it was always the show about all these neat aliens with the human stuck in the middle of it. The alien-ness of it all dwindled a bit as they all got used to each other (inevitable after a while), but I liked it when Aeryn's interestingly human-looking-but-not-human, when you really do get the sense she is from a whole different culture. That was a lot less evident by the later eps, I think. Chiana gets to remain delightfully alien in part (not to slight Gigi Edgeley's great acting -- I'm always amazed by her body movements) due to her lovely grey-girl appearance.
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Date: 2004-09-03 12:06 pm (UTC)Otoh,
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Date: 2004-09-03 03:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-04 07:46 am (UTC)And it starts right from their first episode. With the pinning down and nose-touching and he's the only person on Moya who actually gives her a chance (Rygel yells for help the second she frees him).
I also always thought at least part of the rivalry between John and D'Argo, at least a little bit, was over Chiana, because while she sleeps with D'Argo, I don't get the feeling she'd cheat on John like that -- he's got a bigger place in her heart. Early Chiana feels a bit, re cast dynamics, like S2 Spike to me -- someone who was supposed to come in and shake things up and leave, but who shook things up so well -- and was so magnetic -- they just had to be written into the show.
Agreed. Because John's the first person on Moya that she cares about. She makes me go all melty in the finale when she offers to sleep with him to thank him because she feels like that's all she has to offer (and really, it's things like that that make John back off. he's a decent guy, and he knows that she's a fucked-up kid).
And I was always bothered by Aeryn because she looked so human. Like, the main character can't possibly have a love interest that looks alien. It bugs me.
One of the moments of the Buffy/Angel relationship that touches me the most is when she kisses him while he's still vamped out in What's My Line.
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Date: 2004-09-04 07:49 am (UTC)Who wouldn't? Chiana is a hell of sexy woman. Plus, he doesn't have to feel guilty, because it already happened. She took advantage of him (and if he knows about it now, well, clearly no harm was done, so there's no need to stop her).
And ooo, thanks muchly for the link.
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Date: 2004-09-04 07:51 am (UTC)greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 07:55 am (UTC)Oh my ghod, that is so Chi. And I loved her scrappiness from the beginning -- kiss kick cry her way out of anything, yes. And then when she does let her guard down, she's more vulnerable than anyone else on the ship, really.
And I was always bothered by Aeryn because she looked so human. Like, the main character can't possibly have a love interest that looks alien. It bugs me.
I can understand the Sebaceans from the we-have-very-little-money-and-can't-afford-elaborate-makeup-for-everyone standpoint, but yeah, just the off chances of finding a species with two arms and two legs -- I read a scientific article about the probability of that once, and it damnear ruined a lot of sf shows for me. (And let's not even go into the whole genetically compatible thing....) I console myself by making Aeryn more alien, psychologically at least, in my head. (Like all the emotionally unavailable stuff is because she comes from a completely different culture where there are no family unit or long-term partnerships and offspring are bred mainly for genetic qualities and "procreating" is really different from sex. But siiigh, then it seems like one more instance of where the strong woman is blamed for not being emotionally available for her man -- like Buffy and Riley in S5 -- and I just get really tired of that.)
One of the moments of the Buffy/Angel relationship that touches me the most is when she kisses him while he's still vamped out in What's My Line.
Oh, yes. That was nice.
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Date: 2004-09-04 07:55 am (UTC)Re: greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 08:29 am (UTC)She really is. And that's why John... he tries with Chiana. He's careful with her. It's only when he gets mind-frelled that we really get to see just how very attracted he is to her. But he knows that she thinks that her only gifts are the 'kiss, kick, or cry' her way out of things, and just as he tells Aeryn in the first episode, he also tries to show Chiana that she can be 'more'. That guys aren't just after sex. And that means that he can't fuck her, because then she could dismiss what he says. If he doesn't sleep with her, then she has to interact with him as an equal, as a person.
Re: greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 09:26 am (UTC)Yeah, like that really freaky scene in the hallway in "Crackers Don't Matter." ((shudders)) (And you have to love her reaction right near the end -- that's Chi all over.)
But he knows that she thinks that her only gifts are the 'kiss, kick, or cry' her way out of things, and just as he tells Aeryn in the first episode, he also tries to show Chiana that she can be 'more'. That guys aren't just after sex. And that means that he can't fuck her, because then she could dismiss what he says. If he doesn't sleep with her, then she has to interact with him as an equal, as a person.
Aw. Yes. I love your spicy brain. (Now that I think of it, that's why I don't read much John/Chiana fic, actually, although lord knows poor Crichton must be absolutely frustrated sometimes.)
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Date: 2004-09-04 09:28 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-09-04 09:29 am (UTC)not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 09:35 am (UTC)Re: greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 09:36 am (UTC)It's rather telling that Chiana's the only person that he goes after like that, in a sexual way. He does want to fuck her but he also knows what a frelling horrible idea that it would be.
Now that I think of it, that's why I don't read much John/Chiana fic, actually, although lord knows poor Crichton must be absolutely frustrated sometimes.
Who wouldn't be? Chiana is a walking invitation to sin. But hell, he gets to see for himself what happens with Chi and D'Argo (though that same situation wouldn't happen with Chi and John, as John would never expect Chiana to be happy as a farmer or anything of the sort... he's much more aware of who she is than D'Argo was.).
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 09:48 am (UTC)But yeah, if it'll be easier, I can definitely go through and put the Farscape stuff in a separate section. Especially since I'll probably have more and more to put there in days to come.
Re: greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 09:56 am (UTC)Ohh, yeah. And not that it's all Skorpy's fault, but there's certainly something nasty vibing between them, too, and she's in the middle of it. Lucky she's resilient.
Chiana is a walking invitation to sin.
I showed this picture of Gigi Edgeley in a short low-cut black velvet dress to this guy friend of mine, and he practically cried. Heh.
But hell, he gets to see for himself what happens with Chi and D'Argo (though that same situation wouldn't happen with Chi and John, as John would never expect Chiana to be happy as a farmer or anything of the sort... he's much more aware of who she is than D'Argo was.).
Oh, yeah, definitely. I always felt out of the loop in that I never understood D'Argo and Chiana's relationship, really....it seemed at first like mainly a physical thing, although they genuinely enjoyed each other's company, but getting together with him seems to fit into her need to feel protected more than anything else. (I also think there's a lot of sublimation on her part from John to D'Argo, which is one reason why she breaks with D'Argo the way she does.) D’Argo's also such a tragic figure, with the death of his wife, imprisonment, loss of son &c., I can imagine him really being up for fun with such a lively, lovely gal.
When do they hook up, anyway -- "Look at the Princess"? (I don't want to spoil you/don't know how far you've seen, so am treading a little carefully here.) I always thought the lack of genetic compatibility at once made all the sexing-up possible and at the same time doomed any further commitment -- D'Argo is All About Family, especially his offspring, Chiana is NOT the settling-down type (to put it mildly) and I don't think she's going to want to join forces with him on his Quest, either. However, D'Argo feels everything deeply, and he's All About Loyalty, too, so it's not surprising what happens further on....and "Suns and Lovers," man, that rips my heart out.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 09:57 am (UTC)Re: greygirl love
Date: 2004-09-04 10:08 am (UTC)She's tough. I mean, she escaped growing up a conforming Nebari. She's a rebel and rulebreaker.
I showed this picture of Gigi Edgeley in a short low-cut black velvet dress to this guy friend of mine, and he practically cried. Heh.
She's like really, really pornographic art.
But yeah, I've seen most of season one, then the first four episodes of season two and the first four of season three. This is what my dad thought was a good idea to buy.
Watching them that way may be what blew my mind and made me go off to a corner to weep. Because this is not a show to skip around in. I read the transcripts that went on in-between time, but that is nothing like watching the episodes in action. I mean... dude.
So I saw the very beginning of D'Argo's interest in her (D'Argo is so All About Chiana in Crackers Don't Matter. Of course, Chiana is also All About Chiana there, so they agree on something.), then slammed straight into Chiana being so miserable at the idea of spending her life as a farmer with D'Argo that she cheats on the man with his own son.
Again, not a problem that she'd run into with John, because, well, John isn't the farming type either. Though John's also All About the Family.
Of course, and this is something that would eat D'Argo up a bit if it happened, but if John did want to be with her and wanted to settle down, she might, for him. Because for Chiana, just being near John is an adventure. It's clear that she finds him completely fascinating. Life with John would never bore her, so even if she settled down, she wouldn't be settling, because John can be as complicated and dangerous as a wormhole.
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Date: 2004-09-04 10:25 am (UTC)Hehe. She's like Marzipan Girl. You look at her and your brain blows out. From interviews I've read GE is sort of a lot like Chiana, too -- not totally sexed-up or anything, but v energetic, giggly, giddy, fun, lots of different trains of thought, a real ball of fire.
But yeah, I've seen most of season one, then the first four episodes of season two and the first four of season three. This is what my dad thought was a good idea to buy.
....hunh. So d00d, wait, that's "Mind the Baby," "Vitas Mortis," "Taking the Stone," "Crackers Don't Matter" and then "Season of Death," "Suns and Lovers," "Self-Inflicted Wounds 1: Could'a, Would'a, Should'a," "Self-Inflicted Wounds 2: Wait for the Wheel"....? Oh, that is seriously mindbending. Man. S2 is where it really darkens, too, from the goofiness of S1 to the real heartbreak of a lot of S3. Oh my. Man, S3 would hit you like a mallet without the prep of lots of S2.
Watching them that way may be what blew my mind and made me go off to a corner to weep
Oooooooh, I can see that.
slammed straight into Chiana being so miserable at the idea of spending her life as a farmer with D'Argo that she cheats on the man with his own son.
Oh, dear. Yes. Lord. Talk about getting the bends. That would seriously hurt. (Part of my theory is, Chiana knows she's doing something awfully stupid, and hurtful, and miserable, and she's obviously sick with guilt over it, but a big part of her D'Argo attraction is that he's sort-of John, only she realizes that since he's not John she doesn't feel about him the way she would with John, so she needs to break it. Well, this doesn't look so much like a theory right now. It may be the cold medicine. -- The point was that when the eps came out a lot of people HATED Chiana for it, or said she'd been replaced by a pod person or something similar, and I didn't really think that at all. I mean, what she does is horrible, but she does it because it's horrible, if that makes sense. I think she knows she doesn't feel about D'Argo the way he feels about her, and it's like she's punishing herself -- blowing up his love for her. No, this probably doesn't make sense.)
Again, not a problem that she'd run into with John, because, well, John isn't the farming type either. Though John's also All About the Family.
I think a big part of what appeals to her wrt John is the adventure -- here he is, the only human in the UT, and yes he's totally obsessed with going home and wormholes (shades of Odysseus/Kirke here), but he's also having the ride of his life, and he knows it. It looks pretty impossible that he's going to go back to Earth and
farmdo astrophysics somewhere, so settling down isn't the huge problem that suddenly looms up with D'Argo, particularly when his son arrives. (Isn't there a pretty big age difference between D'Argo and Chi? I don't remember exactly, but even if he's not that much older, it's like all his suffering has aged him, sobered him.) I think poor D'Argo reallly does have this idea he can -- not rebuild, exactly, but resurrect his ruined life with his grown-up son and this lovely girl, and it's just so far from where they all really are the comedown can't help but be heartbreaking. S3 is all about busting everybody up, breaking down the family connections, watching everyone spin off. (Slap me if it gets too spoilery.)if John did want to be with her and wanted to settle down, she might, for him. Because for Chiana, just being near John is an adventure. It's clear that she finds him completely fascinating. Life with John would never bore her
Ha, I typed what I did above before going on to your next par -- I think that's it exactly. Although I do think if Chi ever settled down she'd manage to do something like blow up the homestead (there's a great moment in "John Quixote," in S4, where she utterly messes something up just by grabbing one thing).
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 10:37 am (UTC)I do, yeah. I'm really looking forward to actually seeing the episodes in context.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 10:40 am (UTC)Re: She's the Id Girl
Date: 2004-09-04 10:55 am (UTC)Yeah, it was kinda like that.
Part of my theory is, Chiana knows she's doing something awfully stupid, and hurtful, and miserable, and she's obviously sick with guilt over it, but a big part of her D'Argo attraction is that he's sort-of John, only she realizes that since he's not John she doesn't feel about him the way she would with John, so she needs to break it. Well, this doesn't look so much like a theory right now. It may be the cold medicine. -- The point was that when the eps came out a lot of people HATED Chiana for it, or said she'd been replaced by a pod person or something similar, and I didn't really think that at all. I mean, what she does is horrible, but she does it because it's horrible, if that makes sense. I think she knows she doesn't feel about D'Argo the way he feels about her, and it's like she's punishing herself -- blowing up his love for her. No, this probably doesn't make sense.
It makes complete sense. She wanted to do the unforgivable thing, something that would make D'Argo realize just how unsuited she was to be his 'wife'. And screwing your beloved's son is about the lowest that you can go (see also: Cordy/Connor).
I think a big part of what appeals to her wrt John is the adventure -- here he is, the only human in the UT, and yes he's totally obsessed with going home and wormholes (shades of Odysseus/Kirke here), but he's also having the ride of his life, and he knows it. It looks pretty impossible that he's going to go back to Earth and farm do astrophysics somewhere, so settling down isn't the huge problem that suddenly looms up with D'Argo, particularly when his son arrives.
Right. Plus, John brings chaos where he goes. He's a crazy-magnet. Even if he hides on a planet, eventually, trouble always seems to find him.
Isn't there a pretty big age difference between D'Argo and Chi? I don't remember exactly, but even if he's not that much older, it's like all his suffering has aged him, sobered him.
Well, she seems about the same emotional age as Jothee, so he's old enough to be her father. I'd like to take a moment to think about that. And now I'll be going 'ick'.
But yeah, he's way too... not mature, but he's more experienced, just in general. Chiana is still such an explorer.
I think poor D'Argo reallly does have this idea he can -- not rebuild, exactly, but resurrect his ruined life with his grown-up son and this lovely girl, and it's just so far from where they all really are the comedown can't help but be heartbreaking.
And the problem lies partly in that he is so blind in his view of Chiana. He thinks that his relationship with her means that she should change who she is for him. He expects her to change one of her fundamental drives -- her desire to 'go other places, see other things' is part of what drove her away from the Nebari. She wants to see the universe, she wants to learn new things and meet new people. And D'Argo knew that about her, but expected the fact that he loved her to change her priorities. And any time that you ask someone to change for you, you are asking for trouble.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 10:59 am (UTC)*pets John*
The UT frelled him up so much.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 02:11 pm (UTC)Poor damaged, frelled-up, nutty pretty blue-eyed John.
((pets him lovingly))
Re: She's the Id Girl
Date: 2004-09-04 02:22 pm (UTC)Well yay! I ran into so many people screaming "Chiana is a SLUT" or "That's not Chiana!" that I got disheartened. And yes, she was striking right at the heart of the little family picture poor D'Argo was probably painting in his head -- rejeting the roles of Jothee's mother and D'Argo's wife decisively.
Plus, John brings chaos where he goes. He's a crazy-magnet. Even if he hides on a planet, eventually, trouble always seems to find him.
Hehe. Yes it does. Plus, first there's Crais, then there's Scorpius, and it seems like half the UT is ready and willing to dog-pile on the Crichton....
Well, she seems about the same emotional age as Jothee, so he's old enough to be her father. I'd like to take a moment to think about that. And now I'll be going 'ick'.
Aww, poor D'Argo. He really is experienced -- he's been through way too much, he's battered. Chiana is eager to take off and see everything whatever's got to offer her.
And the problem lies partly in that he is so blind in his view of Chiana. He thinks that his relationship with her means that she should change who she is for him. He expects her to change one of her fundamental drives -- her desire to 'go other places, see other things' is part of what drove her away from the Nebari
I think that's really, really true. It's one of those awful setups where someone in love assumes their beloved wants the same things they do, because after all, they're both in love -- and well, noo, not always. Even if the love is very big. Also, I think D'Argo has rather more an idealized view of love and marriage and settling down than Chiana has -- it's his lost dream, something that was ripped away from him, while Chiana's this ready explorer. Crichton is always the one obsessed with going home, but for me D'Argo's the real Odysseus figure, only his Telemachus hates im and his Penelope's dead.
Also, I think something really goes out of D'Argo when they lose Zhaan. (Hell, a big something went out of me when they lost Zhaan, but that's another matter.) I always thought he sort of envied her peace (without seeing the chaos that was always underneath it), and then there was that moment in "Thank God It's Friday. Again"....
Hey, IIRC
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Date: 2004-09-04 02:50 pm (UTC)Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-04 08:00 pm (UTC)A slut? Did they miss that part of the point of leaving Nebari was so that she could fucking well sleep with whoever she wanted to. And for Chiana, her sexuality isn't sacred at all. She uses it like she uses any other advantage she may have.
As for it not being Chi... being a mother is not Chi, at least not now. She's just a kid. I think that maybe people miss that, miss how young she is. But she identifies and is invited to be part of the people in Taking the Stone, all of whom are confirmed to be under twenty-two. And she fit right in with them. I'm twenty-one and I know that I would freak at the idea of being a step-mom.
And sleeping with the son in question does show off her unsuitedness and unwillingness in a very brash, Chiana-like fashion. If Chi does something, it's going to be messy and dangerous.
Aww, poor D'Argo. He really is experienced -- he's been through way too much, he's battered. Chiana is eager to take off and see everything whatever's got to offer her.
They're polar opposites that way. Honestly, it was doomed from the start. It'll always be doomed, though I can see Chiana being willing to sleep with him again. Because she does like him, she is attracted to him. She just doesn't want to be bound to him.
It's one of those awful setups where someone in love assumes their beloved wants the same things they do, because after all, they're both in love -- and well, noo, not always. Even if the love is very big. Also, I think D'Argo has rather more an idealized view of love and marriage and settling down than Chiana has -- it's his lost dream, something that was ripped away from him, while Chiana's this ready explorer.
Right, D'Argo only got to have his dream for a few short years. Chiana isn't even ready to have that dream yet.
Also, I think something really goes out of D'Argo when they lose Zhaan. (Hell, a big something went out of me when they lost Zhaan, but that's another matter.) I always thought he sort of envied her peace (without seeing the chaos that was always underneath it), and then there was that moment in "Thank God It's Friday. Again"....
D'Argo isn't too good at seeing what people are hiding. He sees Zhaan's tranquility, he sees John's obsessiveness, he sees Rygel's greed and fear, he sees Chiana's open and honest affection, and he ascribes to all of them what they would mean if a Luxan were showing them, without considering that each of the other three is a very distinct and different species. Each of them has to be taken into context with what we know of their culture and of their past. And D'Argo doesn't ever seem to do that. He just assumes he knows what's what.
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Date: 2004-09-04 08:02 pm (UTC)But a good one, as I now have two good Chiana vids to wonder and dream about. Chiana's neat.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 08:03 pm (UTC)Hee.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-04 09:20 pm (UTC)Re: Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-04 09:56 pm (UTC)Oh yeah, I distinctly remember at least some cries of "skanky ho" around that time, although I think that was more due to Jothee's being D'Argo's son.
She's just a kid. I think that maybe people miss that, miss how young she is. But she identifies and is invited to be part of the people in Taking the Stone, all of whom are confirmed to be under twenty-two. And she fit right in with them
The other thing I was thinking of is just as D'Argo seems older than his years to me -- scarred by everything he's gone through -- Chi seems not only young chronologically, but v young emotionally (which isn't to say she's not a mature young woman, or she doesn't know her own mind) -- she's just got this delightful quality that's sort of like taking a six-year-old for ice cream in the park. Lookit THAT! Let's go over here! Chase this pigeon! Like that. She sort of reminds me of my cat Max -- he's 2 1/2 years old by now but he's still a lot like a kitten, getting into everything. So that's another way in which I thought they were rather terribly suited for each other.
If Chi does something, it's going to be messy and dangerous.
Oh, yes. She's like a walking little entropic force (another reason why she and Crichton get along so well, I think -- like you pointed out, Shit Just Happens around John).
Honestly, it was doomed from the start. It'll always be doomed, though I can see Chiana being willing to sleep with him again. Because she does like him, she is attracted to him. She just doesn't want to be bound to him.
Oh yeah, it was Doomed right from the start. I do hope it doesn't get turned into some kind of OTP for the miniseries (we already have one OTP, Aeryn and John. I can handle only so many True Love Soul Mate Grand Romances at a time!). I mean, it'd be nice if they came to some kind of rapprochement and were able to forgive each other, and realize that it wasn't meant to be, but they still feel for each other anyway.
D'Argo isn't too good at seeing what people are hiding. He sees Zhaan's tranquility, he sees John's obsessiveness, he sees Rygel's greed and fear, he sees Chiana's open and honest affection, and he ascribes to all of them what they would mean if a Luxan were showing them, without considering that each of the other three is a very distinct and different species.
Yes! Oh, yes, good point. (Although maybe I like poor D'Argo a little more than you do. It's my frelled-up silent strong man complex.) The tension between John and D'Argo gets really, really high later on, and there's a great ep, "Revenging Angel" 3.16, and a lovely little line of dialogue I won't quote for you cause I don't want to spoil you for it, but you do get the feeling D'Argo knows about his troubles relating to the crew and dealing with his own emotions (ghod that sounds dreadfully touchy-feely), he's just lost re what to do abt it.
((siiigh)) Man I miss that show. I hope after the miniseries, they do get some kind of spinoff or movie or other miniseries deal, cause you know there's still a thousand stories out in the UT....
Re: Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-05 07:07 am (UTC)Is OTPship for Chiana/D'Argo even an option? I mean, she did sleep with his son. And they're still very poorly matched.
Although maybe I like poor D'Argo a little more than you do. It's my frelled-up silent strong man complex.
I like D'Argo, I just don't find him very interesting (which is to say that I don't dislike him).
Re: Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-05 11:24 am (UTC)You wouldn't think so, but the show was starting that sort of tendency to pair people off -- and maybe for the big finale, we'll have a buncha happy couples. I kinda hope not, though.
I like D'Argo, I just don't find him very interesting
I think the word I'd choose for D'Argo is opaque -- even to himself. I must admit Anthony Simcoe's voice gives me tingles, though. I'd love to hear him read something aloud in that voice.
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Date: 2004-09-06 04:47 pm (UTC):)
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Date: 2004-09-06 06:45 pm (UTC)Re: Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-06 06:47 pm (UTC)That would be annoying. I hope that the show is better than that.
Of course, I can merrily imagine the marriages imploding (because they would), so it'd still end up fine.
I think the word I'd choose for D'Argo is opaque -- even to himself. I must admit Anthony Simcoe's voice gives me tingles, though. I'd love to hear him read something aloud in that voice.
Yeah... his voice is very nice.
Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-06 06:49 pm (UTC)Re: not to sound awfully stalkerish, but....
Date: 2004-09-06 08:46 pm (UTC)Re: Love, Chiana, D'Argo
Date: 2004-09-06 08:47 pm (UTC)SNERK. And they go off quarrelling into the sunset....can definitely see that one.