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[butterfly]

Still have the rest of VividCon to write up (I have notes for every vidshow that I managed to see, so, yeah, there's quite a bit more), but I've been distracted by (what else?) Stargate SG-1, which is such a shiny show.

I'm working today, but I have tomorrow off and currently have no plans, so I'll be working much on fannish and personal things on Wednesday.

In boniblithe's recent entry, you can find links to some vids from the premieres that are already up. I haven't gotten to it yet on my list, but I'd just like to recommend the vid for The Others, at least if you've seen the movie. Not sure it spoils the biggest thing (since I, well, already knew), but it spoils one of the very big things. It's a beautiful vid, though.

And this is random and Angel-related, but Lilah was not Wesley's healthiest relationship. Anyone else remember a very pretty woman named Virginia? With whom Wesley got together with and eventually parted from because they both realized that she couldn't take the violence of his lifestyle (and, give her points, consider where it took him)? And how very mature both sides were about the dissolution of their relationship? And the sweetness of the relationship and the cuteness with which it started? Did the poor woman fall into a black hole?

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[livinglaurel.livejournal.com]

I didn't like Riley either. Partly because the Jossian view of the "nice normal" doesn't ring true to me. (I had the same problem with Fred.)

Heh. I like the idea of Riley -- mainly I like that the oh-so-normal-Mr.-Potato has a really dark side -- but I hated how ME used him to set up Buffy's emotional distance (she fails to love a Good Man! blahblah!). Even Tara, the sweetheart, was suspected of being part demon, or all demon, for, well, one episode.

I felt like Buffy was with Riley because of what he wasn't -- Angel -- and Riley was with Buffy because of what she wasn't

Ah, see, Marc Blucas sold me with "But she doesn't love me." I think Buffy did see him as nice and reliable, and like him for that, but there were at least hints that he liked her as Buffy -- he likes the whole package -- at least before ME blew it all up with that stupid suck jobs subplot.

Willow and Oz, to me, is a great example of a healthy relationship without big drama. But Willow didn't love Oz because he was low maintenance, and neither did I. We loved him for being quirky and grounded and patient and having a way with words.

I would agree. And it does seem to be healthy (well, healthier than Willow/Tara, anyway, much as I loved Tara). But doesn't Oz leave because he fears his wolf nature, he doesn't know what he'll do and has to try to control it? which would seem to be a conflict rising up from who he is, not necessarily something external (although it is triggered IIRC by Veruca).

love -- a screwed up, unlikely, patchwork love, but love -- grows anyway, like a weed in the sidewalk

I like that, and it seems appropriate for Lilah/Wes -- although jennyo got to me pretty thoroughly on that one, that they probably did love each other as OTP but didn't admit it/didn't realize it, and their love didn't save them, anyway.

in the Jossverse it seems like Willow/Tara, Fred/Gunn, Wes/Virginia, Buffy/Riley stay basically conflict-free until something from outside comes along to split them open

I think I'd agree with that except for Willow/Tara -- Willow's need to control people through magic had been poking its head through long before the memory spell that broke them up. Then again, the permanent separation does happen by accident, with a stray bullet -- and I think that was v deliberate on Whedon's part. So I can see your point re that, as well....

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[stakebait.livejournal.com]

See, I never felt like Riley accepted who Buffy was. Between him being threatened by her Slayer strength and hurt by her way of coping with stress, I saw a lot of issues with him about women who don't need or want to be protected.

I totally agree about Oz. They did a good job of showing those issues as ongoing. For Willow/Tara, you're right. They did show it earlier in Willow. I was just dissatisfied with the way Tara's co-dependence in that relationship was shown as romantic all the way until Willow broke trust, as opposed to it being a problem in itself.

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[livinglaurel.livejournal.com]

I was just dissatisfied with the way Tara's co-dependence in that relationship was shown as romantic all the way until Willow broke trust, as opposed to it being a problem in itself.

Ya know, that kind of reminded me of Fred and Wesley on Angel -- Fred was shown, at least IMO, as mildly creeped out by his intentions and it really wasn't the healthiest thing for him to fixate on her, and then all of a sudden (people say they saw it coming, but it really looked all of a sudden to me) she's interested in him again and they were happy together and then tragedy struck. It felt like the plot wheels were creaking as ME moved the characters into place to get them where ME wanted them to go, and I really felt that with the end of W/T.