Hee, yes. I love their complete lack of both surprise and angst when they realize that they're related.
Twincest is love, yo.
I had a big Fred/George period when I first entered HP fandom. And I adore Leto II/Ghanima from Children of Dune (who kiss in the sci-fi miniseries adaptation of the books -- they are the ones in my icon there).
I never got into Fred/George (mostly because I prefer fraternal twins), but omg. Another Leto II/Ghanima twincest shipper? And you like the Dune miniserieses? *clutches in ecstatic happiness*
I love the Dune miniseries(es). I love CoD a bit more than Dune but that's my second favorite book in the series (God-Emperor beats it out by a slight margin, though that's the only book where I strongly dislike one of the Duncans. I normally adore the Duncans beyond reason. And it's worse because he's so very Duncan.). I was all asquee over it all when it aired -- I even wrote a (very, very) short little ficlet that consists of Farad'n angsting at the twins' wedding.
I also adore the books. I think that I once said that they should be required reading for anyone who fancies themselves a politician (I especially love the way it talks about the dangers of politics marrying religion). Used to have an icon that said "it is not that power corrupts, but that it attracts the corruptible" that, alas, was lost in my computer switch. And I think that the Dune series was the first long book series that I read on my own as a child. I held that over my older brother for years (later, he held having read the LotR series over me -- he is doomed to win that battle, as I love the universe but want to stick forks in my eyes after too much of Tolkien's prose).
I fangirl the first book the most. Paul and Jessica are so much love, and I was so sad when Leto I died.
And man, I own the DVDs of both the Sci Fi channel series, as well as a VHS of the original movie. I own all the books, too. Including the prequel novels. Me and my father are huge Dune fans.
Oh, yes, I agree. The way Herbert works politics and relationships and religion and sex into things is simply brilliant. It's just incredible. And so Slytherin.
I feel the same away about Tolkien's prose. I can barely tolerate the movies. XD
I fangirl the first book the most. Paul and Jessica are so much love, and I was so sad when Leto I died.
*nods*
Paul and Jessica are love. The books are so full of political necessity, that when these (mostly) familial relationships occur where love is more important than politics, it really stands out.
And you are making me want to re-read the series and it's at my mom's house. Evil! (though I really need to get my own copies one day, anyway)
And man, I own the DVDs of both the Sci Fi channel series, as well as a VHS of the original movie. I own all the books, too. Including the prequel novels. Me and my father are huge Dune fans.
The original movie had the most brilliant casting ever. I liked Sci-Fi's Paul much more in the second miniseries than the first, possibly because I adored the movie's Paul beyond belief.
Oh, yes, I agree. The way Herbert works politics and relationships and religion and sex into things is simply brilliant. It's just incredible. And so Slytherin.
They really are very Slytherin books. Everyone has plans within plans.
I feel the same away about Tolkien's prose. I can barely tolerate the movies.
I adore the movies. But it's not at all Slytherin, definitely, nor is it Gyffindor. Rather, I think that the tone of LotR edges toward the Hufflepuff side of things. There are parts of the books that I do adore (I love the hobbits, so much), but there so much that I dislike. The movie pretty much took away all the things that made me want to claw my eyes out (like Tom, of whom we will not speak), while actually changing things so that the characters had arcs, rather than being stationary (Boromir and Faramir being the most obvious examples).
Oh, and I noticed that you have a Narnia icon! It's always good to see another fan of that, as well. I really want to reread the first book before the movie comes out in theatres.
Oh, yes. Dune is just incredibly brilliant. The dynamics and intricacies of the plot and storyline leave me astounded. Truly crafted by genius.
I have a soft spot for the original movie, too. The casting was indeed perfect. The mini-series' Paul was hard to accept at first, because you're right the original Paul rocked. And I knew Paul had dark hair. After a while, I got used to the differences and accepted it. I do like their casting for Leto II and Ghanima, though. Dune is painfully Slytherin. Just like Star Wars is painfully Gryffindor, imho. ;D
Yes, you're right. LotR is very Hufflepuff, and even a bit of Ravenclaw. The movies are better than the books, but I can onyl watch them once or twice before my interest fades away completely.
Narnia is true love. I need to reread the whole serie sto be caught up. Narnia is my favoritest fantasy series ever.
Oh, yes. Dune is just incredibly brilliant. The dynamics and intricacies of the plot and storyline leave me astounded. Truly crafted by genius.
*nods*
And the fear litany is something that I actually think of quite often. It's helpful in a very real way to me. He not only manages to be effective on an epic scale, but also on the personal level. Wonderful writing, wonderful universe.
I have a soft spot for the original movie, too. The casting was indeed perfect. The mini-series' Paul was hard to accept at first, because you're right the original Paul rocked. And I knew Paul had dark hair. After a while, I got used to the differences and accepted it. I do like their casting for Leto II and Ghanima, though. Dune is painfully Slytherin. Just like Star Wars is painfully Gryffindor, imho.
And original!Paul is the sexy. I love contrasts, and he had pale skin and dark (curly!) hair, and blue, blue eyes. Gah.
Miniseries Ghanima and Leto II were wonderful. They really captured that otherworldly connection quite beautifully. Plus, they, too, were the sexy. Mrow. Though I never stopped giggling at the miniserieses obsession with silly hats. The sheer variety of silly hats that they managed to use is quite impressive.
Yes, you're right. LotR is very Hufflepuff, and even a bit of Ravenclaw. The movies are better than the books, but I can onyl watch them once or twice before my interest fades away completely.
I am not at all Hufflepuff, but I admire Hufflepuff. (Am not actually quite sure what house I might possibly fit into, though I wiffle between Ravenclaw and Slytherin). Well, really, I admire aspects of all the houses while also thinking that they all come with terrible drawbacks (bravery runs hand-in-hand with recklessness, as Harry has shown us time and again).
Narnia is true love. I need to reread the whole series to be caught up. Narnia is my favoritest fantasy series ever.
It would be much too hard for me to pick a favorite fantasy series. I love fantasy in general, adore the fantastical and the otherwordly. I adore quite a lot of fantasy that other people think is too 'silly' or 'obvious' or... well, I asked my roommate when she stopped liking a certain series that I do still like and felt a little stung when she said "when I grew up". Though I'm sure she didn't mean to imply anything, as I'm not sure she actually knows that I like said series. But still, I tend to be shy about mentioning certain stories that I love.
Oh, yes. The fear litany is incredibly helpful. And also, with how the Jedi are, I have to force myself not to use it when writing SW fic. It's something I can so see Obi-Wan saying to himself.
Original!Paul was a giant crush of mine back in my misspent youth. Those eyes were nice. I also admit to having a weakness for Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck. I cannot help but love.
Omg, yes! I laughed so hard over the butterfly dress in the miniseries of Dune. And the hats killed me ded. Good work they did, yes, but the costuming... *snickers* But Ghanima and Leto II always looked good. Very nice casting. I so wanted to see them in an intimate moment. Yum.
If you ever want to be sorted, and are willing to put up with a really tough application process, there's hogwarts_elite. If not, I do know a couple good online tests. The houses do have their good points, and their bad points. As a self-indentifying Gryffindor, I can tell you that acting impulsively and being emo are drawbacks. XD I love all the houses, though.
I do like fantasy a lot, though science fiction is actually mildly favored over it. I love the stuff like Dune and Star Wars more than most fantasy. I know all about that whole "that's for kids, and I don't it because I'm an adult" bullshit. I've loved SW since I was an infant and my love has not abated at all. I mean, I stopped liking things like Sesame Street after a while, but fantasy is for the imaginative, not the childish. Sorry, but that line does offend me, because I like adult-oriented movies as much as fantasy or science fiction and I think it all has the same value. It's either good or bad, not for little kids or grown-ups. Er. Sorry for the mini-rant. XD
Hee! I did see that in a fic. And I giggled, because, no and yet I could so understand why someone would put it there. Because if Obi-Wan lived in Duneverse, he would have it memorized
Exactly. I can almost forgive that, canon rape though it is. Becuase the fear litany + Obi-Wan = OTP. It's so him. I can see Anakin saying it, but it obviously did not work for him. *shakes head*
Patrick Stewart is the One True Gurney.
*nods*
It is so.
I second that motion.
Oh, I just adored Original!Paul's eyes so much, and coupled with the pale skin and dark, curly hair, I was so gone on him. Curly hair is a particular weakness of mine, I must admit. Half the reason that I adore hobbits so much is because I adore the curly hobbit hair (on their heads... the hair on their feet is, um, not so very attractive).
XD I'm not overfond of hobbits, I'm afraid, but then I'm not overfond of LotR lately. I think I wound up watching too much of it or something, and it's best just to see it once or twice, imho. I tend to be pretty weired and random on my crushes, but father-figure types usually do it for me. Sometimes even grandfather-fifure types. It's one reason why I'd do Obi-Wan as Sir Alec OR Ewan, with equal gusto. Because I am weird.
And for the record, I neither pity nor dislike you. I like you just fine. You haven't been around for my angst explosions on LJ (I keep them on a filter, anyways), but trust me, I understand. And I can understand the not wanting to be judged thing. I hate it, too. I was frozen in fear during my entire sorting. I just can't imagine anyone Squibbing you. :D
See, this is where I am not at all a Gyffindor. Because I actually feel basically that way, only I want to be diplomatic and not get anyone upset. There are only a few things that I actively stand up about and even those, not often enough.
I'm a terrible Gryffindor. I'll get into a heated debate over anything. I once got into a fight with my sister over an argument about horse legs. I wound up throwing an entire bowl of milk and Cocoa Puffs at her. She moved, and it hit my poor brother instead. XD Diplomacy is overrated, but then once the shit hits the fan, I always back down, because I hate ugliness. Welcome to my self-contradictory world. I love debates, but hate wank.
Exactly. I can almost forgive that, canon rape though it is. Becuase the fear litany + Obi-Wan = OTP. It's so him. I can see Anakin saying it, but it obviously did not work for him. *shakes head*
Right, Anakin didn't so much face his fear and let it pass through him, as face his fear and say, "Bugger it, you win. I'll do anything you say."
I tend to be pretty weired and random on my crushes, but father-figure types usually do it for me. Sometimes even grandfather-fifure types. It's one reason why I'd do Obi-Wan as Sir Alec OR Ewan, with equal gusto. Because I am weird.
Hee. I have a vast age range for my crushable types, from 'okay, that's kinda illegal' to 'could so be your grandparent'.
And for the record, I neither pity nor dislike you. I like you just fine. You haven't been around for my angst explosions on LJ (I keep them on a filter, anyways), but trust me, I understand. And I can understand the not wanting to be judged thing. I hate it, too. I was frozen in fear during my entire sorting. I just can't imagine anyone Squibbing you.
Aw, thank you, that's sweet.
I'm a terrible Gryffindor. I'll get into a heated debate over anything. I once got into a fight with my sister over an argument about horse legs. I wound up throwing an entire bowl of milk and Cocoa Puffs at her. She moved, and it hit my poor brother instead.
Hee! I mean, what a terrible thing to do!
*giggles*
Out of curiosity, what about horse legs were you arguing about?
Diplomacy is overrated, but then once the shit hits the fan, I always back down, because I hate ugliness. Welcome to my self-contradictory world. I love debates, but hate wank.
I think that's fairly understandable. And people should be able to debate without it turning into fighting or anything ugly.
Right, Anakin didn't so much face his fear and let it pass through him, as face his fear and say, "Bugger it, you win. I'll do anything you say."
*nods* Either that or he became his own fear. Self-fulfilling prophecies are Anakin's thing.
Out of curiosity, what about horse legs were you arguing about?
We were watching A Knight's Tale. My sister didn't know what a horse flank was. I've been very upset over her lack of education and knowledge, and it made me angry. So we began arguing over how she should know what a horse flank was, and it turned ugly. S'what happens when two Gryffindors go at it. XD
I think that's fairly understandable. And people should be able to debate without it turning into fighting or anything ugly.
One would think. I don't understand how differences of opinion make anyone more or less of a person, y'know?
*nods* Either that or he became his own fear. Self-fulfilling prophecies are Anakin's thing.
They really are. It just kills me (in the best way) that Padme almost certainly wouldn't have died if he hadn't been so terrified of it. Or if he hadn't been so determined to be independent and save her himself rather than risk asking for help. The people that he loves have to be kept in their own special boxes.
One would think. I don't understand how differences of opinion make anyone more or less of a person, y'know?
I can understand why people do that -- because they really do believe that Their Truth is so obvious and clearly right that anyone who disagrees has to be less, because if they were equals, they'd agree. It's a line of reasoning that has led to a lot of ugliness.
The people that he loves have to be kept in their own special boxes.
It's odd how he does that. Everything is separate and he doesn't like it to overlap. He doesn't even like Obi-Wan and Padme talking to each other. XD Poor guy. *pets him*
It's a line of reasoning that has led to a lot of ugliness.
Yes, I wish I could say I've never succumbed to it, and I can understand it, but at the same time, it's just... frustrating. Espeically when I *headdesk* to remember my own grandstanding. XD
It's odd how he does that. Everything is separate and he doesn't like it to overlap. He doesn't even like Obi-Wan and Padme talking to each other. XD Poor guy. *pets him*
The problem is that I so completely understand why. Because if they like each other, it would a) take valuable time away from them liking him and b) introduce the possibility that they might like each other more than him. Also, he doesn't want either of them to know the depth of his feelings for the other, which is probably based in his own possessiveness issues -- he knows that he wouldn't want either of them to have a strong emotional connection to anyone who isn't Anakin Skywalker, so clearly, everyone else in the world has to feel that way, too. Once his relationship with Padme becomes actual, it becomes a threat (in Anakin's head) to his relationship with Obi-Wan. And all of that is without taking into account the Jedi Council, which certainly influences his decision.
I just... I understand Anakin's fears so well, which really contributes to my urge to smack him upside the head and tell him that he didn't have anything to worry about in this particular case.
Yes, I wish I could say I've never succumbed to it, and I can understand it, but at the same time, it's just... frustrating. Espeically when I *headdesk* to remember my own grandstanding.
Hee, yes. I used to be a pretty religious person (I was raised evangelical Lutheran -- these days, I think of myself as fairly spiritual in a general way). There are many things that I said back then that just crack me up so much now. I was much more exclusionary in many ways, and had much narrower views.
*nods about Anakin* Yeah, I can understand why. I have a very similar personality to both Anakin and Obi-Wan. I can totally get both of them. It's just because I stand outside that it makes me want to drive their heads together.
I was once religious when I was very young, raised Roman Catholic, actually. Now, I'm like you -- not religious, but spiritual in a general way. And even things I've said last month make me headdesk in shame. The more time I spend in fandom, the more whatever I get. I just sit on the fence, and watch everyone wank. Sometimes it's even funny. XD
*nods about Anakin* Yeah, I can understand why. I have a very similar personality to both Anakin and Obi-Wan. I can totally get both of them. It's just because I stand outside that it makes me want to drive their heads together.
Hee, yes, we're standing out there going, "Honey, I know how you feel, but just get over it and talk to Obi-Wan about it. Seriously, it won't kill you." Or "Obi-Wan, sweetheart, staying silent about his relationship with Padme is not actually helping Anakin. Stop being an enabler."
I was once religious when I was very young, raised Roman Catholic, actually. Now, I'm like you -- not religious, but spiritual in a general way. And even things I've said last month make me headdesk in shame. The more time I spend in fandom, the more whatever I get. I just sit on the fence, and watch everyone wank. Sometimes it's even funny.
Sometimes, yeah. Especially when you notice now much it is a cycle -- fandom goes around in circles, and everyone has to have the same argument all over again, because a new set of newbies feels the need to wonder why no one is talking about this Huge Issue, OMG. I've seen every single fandom argument at least four or five times (fandom is sexist, no! it is racist, no! it is elitest, no! it is just complete crap and why do people give so much feedback to crap authors, leading back to -- why are you guys talking about feedback so much, has no one noticed that fandom is sexist? Shouldn't we talk about that? And then everyone who was there for that discussion the last time slams their head against their desk.).
Yes, totally. And Padme's a bit of an enabler, too. She and Obi-Wan just kept looking away and ignoring some of Anakin's problems, like it would go away. *beats them both about the head and shoulders*
Ahahahaha! I'm still a bit new. I mean, I was in fandom before, but in anime/videogame fandoms on websites, where there were no hot issues, just pr0n and fics. I'm sort of learning since coming to LJ, how cyclical things are. It's really starting to amuse me. I'll wind up a vulture on F_W, laughing at everyone if they keep it up. ;D
Yes, totally. And Padme's a bit of an enabler, too. She and Obi-Wan just kept looking away and ignoring some of Anakin's problems, like it would go away. *beats them both about the head and shoulders*
The "if I don't pay attention, the problem will disappear!" solution to your problems -- it doesn't actually solve your problem, but at least you get to act shocked when it all blows up in your face.
Ahahahaha! I'm still a bit new. I mean, I was in fandom before, but in anime/videogame fandoms on websites, where there were no hot issues, just pr0n and fics. I'm sort of learning since coming to LJ, how cyclical things are. It's really starting to amuse me. I'll wind up a vulture on F_W, laughing at everyone if they keep it up.
I've been around for... well, I'm user #439, which certainly says something about how long ago I joined the site. I've been actively fannish on it since 2001 (back then, I was all about *NSYNC and Buffy the Vampire Slayer... both of which I still adore and will defend rigorously if given the chance). And it really does go around and around, but it's really more a spiral than a circle -- it is moving. The general fannish feeling is different now than it was three years ago. In a way, the arguments are fandom's way of saying, "And This Is Who We Are Today".
SW having incestuous feelings in canon is something that amuses me vastly. It definitely does fit with SW's 'mythic' theme. Incest is all over the place in mythology.
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Date: 2005-08-11 08:39 am (UTC)And clearly didn't care.
*has vast amounts of twincest love*
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Date: 2005-08-11 09:19 am (UTC)Twincest is love, yo.
I had a big Fred/George period when I first entered HP fandom. And I adore Leto II/Ghanima from Children of Dune (who kiss in the sci-fi miniseries adaptation of the books -- they are the ones in my icon there).
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Date: 2005-08-12 04:04 am (UTC)I never got into Fred/George (mostly because I prefer fraternal twins), but omg. Another Leto II/Ghanima twincest shipper? And you like the Dune miniserieses? *clutches in ecstatic happiness*
We need to get married.
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Date: 2005-08-12 10:25 am (UTC)I also adore the books. I think that I once said that they should be required reading for anyone who fancies themselves a politician (I especially love the way it talks about the dangers of politics marrying religion). Used to have an icon that said "it is not that power corrupts, but that it attracts the corruptible" that, alas, was lost in my computer switch. And I think that the Dune series was the first long book series that I read on my own as a child. I held that over my older brother for years (later, he held having read the LotR series over me -- he is doomed to win that battle, as I love the universe but want to stick forks in my eyes after too much of Tolkien's prose).
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Date: 2005-08-12 09:49 pm (UTC)And man, I own the DVDs of both the Sci Fi channel series, as well as a VHS of the original movie. I own all the books, too. Including the prequel novels. Me and my father are huge Dune fans.
Oh, yes, I agree. The way Herbert works politics and relationships and religion and sex into things is simply brilliant. It's just incredible. And so Slytherin.
I feel the same away about Tolkien's prose. I can barely tolerate the movies. XD
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Date: 2005-08-12 11:31 pm (UTC)*nods*
Paul and Jessica are love. The books are so full of political necessity, that when these (mostly) familial relationships occur where love is more important than politics, it really stands out.
And you are making me want to re-read the series and it's at my mom's house. Evil! (though I really need to get my own copies one day, anyway)
And man, I own the DVDs of both the Sci Fi channel series, as well as a VHS of the original movie. I own all the books, too. Including the prequel novels. Me and my father are huge Dune fans.
The original movie had the most brilliant casting ever. I liked Sci-Fi's Paul much more in the second miniseries than the first, possibly because I adored the movie's Paul beyond belief.
Oh, yes, I agree. The way Herbert works politics and relationships and religion and sex into things is simply brilliant. It's just incredible. And so Slytherin.
They really are very Slytherin books. Everyone has plans within plans.
I feel the same away about Tolkien's prose. I can barely tolerate the movies.
I adore the movies. But it's not at all Slytherin, definitely, nor is it Gyffindor. Rather, I think that the tone of LotR edges toward the Hufflepuff side of things. There are parts of the books that I do adore (I love the hobbits, so much), but there so much that I dislike. The movie pretty much took away all the things that made me want to claw my eyes out (like Tom, of whom we will not speak), while actually changing things so that the characters had arcs, rather than being stationary (Boromir and Faramir being the most obvious examples).
Oh, and I noticed that you have a Narnia icon! It's always good to see another fan of that, as well. I really want to reread the first book before the movie comes out in theatres.
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Date: 2005-08-14 01:31 am (UTC)I have a soft spot for the original movie, too. The casting was indeed perfect. The mini-series' Paul was hard to accept at first, because you're right the original Paul rocked. And I knew Paul had dark hair. After a while, I got used to the differences and accepted it. I do like their casting for Leto II and Ghanima, though. Dune is painfully Slytherin. Just like Star Wars is painfully Gryffindor, imho. ;D
Yes, you're right. LotR is very Hufflepuff, and even a bit of Ravenclaw. The movies are better than the books, but I can onyl watch them once or twice before my interest fades away completely.
Narnia is true love. I need to reread the whole serie sto be caught up. Narnia is my favoritest fantasy series ever.
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Date: 2005-08-14 09:05 am (UTC)*nods*
And the fear litany is something that I actually think of quite often. It's helpful in a very real way to me. He not only manages to be effective on an epic scale, but also on the personal level. Wonderful writing, wonderful universe.
I have a soft spot for the original movie, too. The casting was indeed perfect. The mini-series' Paul was hard to accept at first, because you're right the original Paul rocked. And I knew Paul had dark hair. After a while, I got used to the differences and accepted it. I do like their casting for Leto II and Ghanima, though. Dune is painfully Slytherin. Just like Star Wars is painfully Gryffindor, imho.
And original!Paul is the sexy. I love contrasts, and he had pale skin and dark (curly!) hair, and blue, blue eyes. Gah.
Miniseries Ghanima and Leto II were wonderful. They really captured that otherworldly connection quite beautifully. Plus, they, too, were the sexy. Mrow. Though I never stopped giggling at the miniserieses obsession with silly hats. The sheer variety of silly hats that they managed to use is quite impressive.
Yes, you're right. LotR is very Hufflepuff, and even a bit of Ravenclaw. The movies are better than the books, but I can onyl watch them once or twice before my interest fades away completely.
I am not at all Hufflepuff, but I admire Hufflepuff. (Am not actually quite sure what house I might possibly fit into, though I wiffle between Ravenclaw and Slytherin). Well, really, I admire aspects of all the houses while also thinking that they all come with terrible drawbacks (bravery runs hand-in-hand with recklessness, as Harry has shown us time and again).
Narnia is true love. I need to reread the whole series to be caught up. Narnia is my favoritest fantasy series ever.
It would be much too hard for me to pick a favorite fantasy series. I love fantasy in general, adore the fantastical and the otherwordly. I adore quite a lot of fantasy that other people think is too 'silly' or 'obvious' or... well, I asked my roommate when she stopped liking a certain series that I do still like and felt a little stung when she said "when I grew up". Though I'm sure she didn't mean to imply anything, as I'm not sure she actually knows that I like said series. But still, I tend to be shy about mentioning certain stories that I love.
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Date: 2005-08-15 06:57 am (UTC)Original!Paul was a giant crush of mine back in my misspent youth. Those eyes were nice. I also admit to having a weakness for Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck. I cannot help but love.
Omg, yes! I laughed so hard over the butterfly dress in the miniseries of Dune. And the hats killed me ded. Good work they did, yes, but the costuming... *snickers* But Ghanima and Leto II always looked good. Very nice casting. I so wanted to see them in an intimate moment. Yum.
If you ever want to be sorted, and are willing to put up with a really tough application process, there's
I do like fantasy a lot, though science fiction is actually mildly favored over it. I love the stuff like Dune and Star Wars more than most fantasy. I know all about that whole "that's for kids, and I don't it because I'm an adult" bullshit. I've loved SW since I was an infant and my love has not abated at all. I mean, I stopped liking things like Sesame Street after a while, but fantasy is for the imaginative, not the childish. Sorry, but that line does offend me, because I like adult-oriented movies as much as fantasy or science fiction and I think it all has the same value. It's either good or bad, not for little kids or grown-ups. Er. Sorry for the mini-rant. XD
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Date: 2005-08-15 12:10 pm (UTC)Hee! I did see that in a fic. And I giggled, because, no and yet I could so understand why someone would put it there. Because if Obi-Wan lived in Duneverse, he would have it memorized
Exactly. I can almost forgive that, canon rape though it is. Becuase the fear litany + Obi-Wan = OTP. It's so him. I can see Anakin saying it, but it obviously did not work for him. *shakes head*
Patrick Stewart is the One True Gurney.
*nods*
It is so.
I second that motion.
Oh, I just adored Original!Paul's eyes so much, and coupled with the pale skin and dark, curly hair, I was so gone on him. Curly hair is a particular weakness of mine, I must admit. Half the reason that I adore hobbits so much is because I adore the curly hobbit hair (on their heads... the hair on their feet is, um, not so very attractive).
XD I'm not overfond of hobbits, I'm afraid, but then I'm not overfond of LotR lately. I think I wound up watching too much of it or something, and it's best just to see it once or twice, imho. I tend to be pretty weired and random on my crushes, but father-figure types usually do it for me. Sometimes even grandfather-fifure types. It's one reason why I'd do Obi-Wan as Sir Alec OR Ewan, with equal gusto. Because I am weird.
And for the record, I neither pity nor dislike you. I like you just fine. You haven't been around for my angst explosions on LJ (I keep them on a filter, anyways), but trust me, I understand. And I can understand the not wanting to be judged thing. I hate it, too. I was frozen in fear during my entire sorting. I just can't imagine anyone Squibbing you. :D
See, this is where I am not at all a Gyffindor. Because I actually feel basically that way, only I want to be diplomatic and not get anyone upset. There are only a few things that I actively stand up about and even those, not often enough.
I'm a terrible Gryffindor. I'll get into a heated debate over anything. I once got into a fight with my sister over an argument about horse legs. I wound up throwing an entire bowl of milk and Cocoa Puffs at her. She moved, and it hit my poor brother instead. XD Diplomacy is overrated, but then once the shit hits the fan, I always back down, because I hate ugliness. Welcome to my self-contradictory world. I love debates, but hate wank.
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Date: 2005-08-15 07:55 pm (UTC)Exactly. I can almost forgive that, canon rape though it is. Becuase the fear litany + Obi-Wan = OTP. It's so him. I can see Anakin saying it, but it obviously did not work for him. *shakes head*
Right, Anakin didn't so much face his fear and let it pass through him, as face his fear and say, "Bugger it, you win. I'll do anything you say."
I tend to be pretty weired and random on my crushes, but father-figure types usually do it for me. Sometimes even grandfather-fifure types. It's one reason why I'd do Obi-Wan as Sir Alec OR Ewan, with equal gusto. Because I am weird.
Hee. I have a vast age range for my crushable types, from 'okay, that's kinda illegal' to 'could so be your grandparent'.
And for the record, I neither pity nor dislike you. I like you just fine. You haven't been around for my angst explosions on LJ (I keep them on a filter, anyways), but trust me, I understand. And I can understand the not wanting to be judged thing. I hate it, too. I was frozen in fear during my entire sorting. I just can't imagine anyone Squibbing you.
Aw, thank you, that's sweet.
I'm a terrible Gryffindor. I'll get into a heated debate over anything. I once got into a fight with my sister over an argument about horse legs. I wound up throwing an entire bowl of milk and Cocoa Puffs at her. She moved, and it hit my poor brother instead.
Hee! I mean, what a terrible thing to do!
*giggles*
Out of curiosity, what about horse legs were you arguing about?
Diplomacy is overrated, but then once the shit hits the fan, I always back down, because I hate ugliness. Welcome to my self-contradictory world. I love debates, but hate wank.
I think that's fairly understandable. And people should be able to debate without it turning into fighting or anything ugly.
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Date: 2005-08-17 01:40 am (UTC)*nods* Either that or he became his own fear. Self-fulfilling prophecies are Anakin's thing.
Out of curiosity, what about horse legs were you arguing about?
We were watching A Knight's Tale. My sister didn't know what a horse flank was. I've been very upset over her lack of education and knowledge, and it made me angry. So we began arguing over how she should know what a horse flank was, and it turned ugly. S'what happens when two Gryffindors go at it. XD
I think that's fairly understandable. And people should be able to debate without it turning into fighting or anything ugly.
One would think. I don't understand how differences of opinion make anyone more or less of a person, y'know?
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Date: 2005-08-19 06:25 am (UTC)They really are. It just kills me (in the best way) that Padme almost certainly wouldn't have died if he hadn't been so terrified of it. Or if he hadn't been so determined to be independent and save her himself rather than risk asking for help. The people that he loves have to be kept in their own special boxes.
One would think. I don't understand how differences of opinion make anyone more or less of a person, y'know?
I can understand why people do that -- because they really do believe that Their Truth is so obvious and clearly right that anyone who disagrees has to be less, because if they were equals, they'd agree. It's a line of reasoning that has led to a lot of ugliness.
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Date: 2005-08-22 08:10 am (UTC)It's odd how he does that. Everything is separate and he doesn't like it to overlap. He doesn't even like Obi-Wan and Padme talking to each other. XD Poor guy. *pets him*
It's a line of reasoning that has led to a lot of ugliness.
Yes, I wish I could say I've never succumbed to it, and I can understand it, but at the same time, it's just... frustrating. Espeically when I *headdesk* to remember my own grandstanding. XD
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Date: 2005-08-23 01:48 pm (UTC)The problem is that I so completely understand why. Because if they like each other, it would a) take valuable time away from them liking him and b) introduce the possibility that they might like each other more than him. Also, he doesn't want either of them to know the depth of his feelings for the other, which is probably based in his own possessiveness issues -- he knows that he wouldn't want either of them to have a strong emotional connection to anyone who isn't Anakin Skywalker, so clearly, everyone else in the world has to feel that way, too. Once his relationship with Padme becomes actual, it becomes a threat (in Anakin's head) to his relationship with Obi-Wan. And all of that is without taking into account the Jedi Council, which certainly influences his decision.
I just... I understand Anakin's fears so well, which really contributes to my urge to smack him upside the head and tell him that he didn't have anything to worry about in this particular case.
Yes, I wish I could say I've never succumbed to it, and I can understand it, but at the same time, it's just... frustrating. Espeically when I *headdesk* to remember my own grandstanding.
Hee, yes. I used to be a pretty religious person (I was raised evangelical Lutheran -- these days, I think of myself as fairly spiritual in a general way). There are many things that I said back then that just crack me up so much now. I was much more exclusionary in many ways, and had much narrower views.
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Date: 2005-08-25 05:15 am (UTC)I was once religious when I was very young, raised Roman Catholic, actually. Now, I'm like you -- not religious, but spiritual in a general way. And even things I've said last month make me headdesk in shame. The more time I spend in fandom, the more whatever I get. I just sit on the fence, and watch everyone wank. Sometimes it's even funny. XD
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Date: 2005-08-25 04:17 pm (UTC)Hee, yes, we're standing out there going, "Honey, I know how you feel, but just get over it and talk to Obi-Wan about it. Seriously, it won't kill you." Or "Obi-Wan, sweetheart, staying silent about his relationship with Padme is not actually helping Anakin. Stop being an enabler."
I was once religious when I was very young, raised Roman Catholic, actually. Now, I'm like you -- not religious, but spiritual in a general way. And even things I've said last month make me headdesk in shame. The more time I spend in fandom, the more whatever I get. I just sit on the fence, and watch everyone wank. Sometimes it's even funny.
Sometimes, yeah. Especially when you notice now much it is a cycle -- fandom goes around in circles, and everyone has to have the same argument all over again, because a new set of newbies feels the need to wonder why no one is talking about this Huge Issue, OMG. I've seen every single fandom argument at least four or five times (fandom is sexist, no! it is racist, no! it is elitest, no! it is just complete crap and why do people give so much feedback to crap authors, leading back to -- why are you guys talking about feedback so much, has no one noticed that fandom is sexist? Shouldn't we talk about that? And then everyone who was there for that discussion the last time slams their head against their desk.).
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Date: 2005-08-26 07:18 am (UTC)Ahahahaha! I'm still a bit new. I mean, I was in fandom before, but in anime/videogame fandoms on websites, where there were no hot issues, just pr0n and fics. I'm sort of learning since coming to LJ, how cyclical things are. It's really starting to amuse me. I'll wind up a vulture on F_W, laughing at everyone if they keep it up. ;D
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Date: 2005-08-27 08:43 am (UTC)The "if I don't pay attention, the problem will disappear!" solution to your problems -- it doesn't actually solve your problem, but at least you get to act shocked when it all blows up in your face.
Ahahahaha! I'm still a bit new. I mean, I was in fandom before, but in anime/videogame fandoms on websites, where there were no hot issues, just pr0n and fics. I'm sort of learning since coming to LJ, how cyclical things are. It's really starting to amuse me. I'll wind up a vulture on F_W, laughing at everyone if they keep it up.
I've been around for... well, I'm user #439, which certainly says something about how long ago I joined the site. I've been actively fannish on it since 2001 (back then, I was all about *NSYNC and Buffy the Vampire Slayer... both of which I still adore and will defend rigorously if given the chance). And it really does go around and around, but it's really more a spiral than a circle -- it is moving. The general fannish feeling is different now than it was three years ago. In a way, the arguments are fandom's way of saying, "And This Is Who We Are Today".
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Date: 2005-08-11 10:38 am (UTC)What?
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Date: 2005-08-11 02:54 pm (UTC)Hee. Is that what they are calling it these days?
PS Is everything good with the hotel room? And is my name on the room as well or would you like me to call you when I get to the hotel?
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Date: 2005-08-11 09:13 pm (UTC)I was thinking, since you were arriving later, that you would call. Did I actually give you my number at some point or did I imagine that?
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Date: 2005-08-11 04:30 pm (UTC)the Skywalkers and their interesting family dynamics.
yessss, very interestinggg! :D
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