I'm going to politely disagree with this. QAF-UK is near and dear to me, and as much as I love Vince, Russel had an entirely different mindframe and concept when he developed Vince and Stuart, one that doesn't have the direct application on the Doctor that you're trying to make.
I'll agree that there are some commonologies that Vince/Rose share in personality and character premise, but its not an even comparison to equate the good that Rose did for Nine to the larger impact that Vince had on Stuart's life, as they were friends for over 17 years and he had a hand in Stuart's pychological development from his early teens. That plays a heavy role as to why their lives are so entwined [postively and negatively] and how they get in the way of each other.
This doesn't negate what Rose has done, but to make the statement that Rose is essential to the Doctor's happiness and that Martha [or anyone new for that matter] should just accept it, as if they are in 'the middle of that relationship' is a not a good concept to foist on a show that can no longer utilize the past character in any active means. Because that makes Rose an anchor and you would have to empathize with why people would not respond to that.
It kind of also contradicts what WHO is: that life and love, and sometimes well-being, is transitionary as is time. Its how you remember it. Titanic reflects that as well.
As for Nathan=Martha, if feels like the comparison is made just to complete the threesome. I understand wanting to make the connection of their attraction to their subjects, but its superficial. Martha's enjoying the ride [and sometimes not], but she has an independant life and career and does not look at the Doctor like he is a svengali role-model as Nathan [who was 15] did.
To make Martha's anger in SoD about Nathan's story-arc in QAF doesn't really connect with me. Her response is both reactionary, harsh, and yet, partially rooted in the rationale that Ten frequently refused to provide answers when she asked for them or when it could've been helpful. To me, Russel has been very heavy-handed with that theme all season. Its an overt element that's meant to play a negative hand in their dynamic come finale time. There's a kernal of resentment and doubt this new companion feels [the Doctor witholding information, the comparison to the past companion, the abandonment of Jack, and now the danger her family is in] that makes the finale tense as to how you think it may end. Its Russel's brand of suspense that he brings to WHO that's not meant to be all about Rose nor a reflection of his inspriration for QAF.
This is just my thoughts on it, feel free to delete if I've offended.
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Date: 2007-06-28 10:44 pm (UTC)I'll agree that there are some commonologies that Vince/Rose share in personality and character premise, but its not an even comparison to equate the good that Rose did for Nine to the larger impact that Vince had on Stuart's life, as they were friends for over 17 years and he had a hand in Stuart's pychological development from his early teens. That plays a heavy role as to why their lives are so entwined [postively and negatively] and how they get in the way of each other.
This doesn't negate what Rose has done, but to make the statement that Rose is essential to the Doctor's happiness and that Martha [or anyone new for that matter] should just accept it, as if they are in 'the middle of that relationship' is a not a good concept to foist on a show that can no longer utilize the past character in any active means. Because that makes Rose an anchor and you would have to empathize with why people would not respond to that.
It kind of also contradicts what WHO is: that life and love, and sometimes well-being, is transitionary as is time. Its how you remember it. Titanic reflects that as well.
As for Nathan=Martha, if feels like the comparison is made just to complete the threesome. I understand wanting to make the connection of their attraction to their subjects, but its superficial. Martha's enjoying the ride [and sometimes not], but she has an independant life and career and does not look at the Doctor like he is a svengali role-model as Nathan [who was 15] did.
To make Martha's anger in SoD about Nathan's story-arc in QAF doesn't really connect with me. Her response is both reactionary, harsh, and yet, partially rooted in the rationale that Ten frequently refused to provide answers when she asked for them or when it could've been helpful. To me, Russel has been very heavy-handed with that theme all season. Its an overt element that's meant to play a negative hand in their dynamic come finale time. There's a kernal of resentment and doubt this new companion feels [the Doctor witholding information, the comparison to the past companion, the abandonment of Jack, and now the danger her family is in] that makes the finale tense as to how you think it may end. Its Russel's brand of suspense that he brings to WHO that's not meant to be all about Rose nor a reflection of his inspriration for QAF.
This is just my thoughts on it, feel free to delete if I've offended.