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butterflyI'm ButterflyInMotion at the TWoP forum. I'm pretty much on the farthest end of the spectrum in regards to slash and having an open mind about almost anything, which is always fun.
So, there's been a surge of posts in the fanfic topic about the 'ickyness' of Bible slash. I'm almost the only admitted Christian and yet I'm pretty much the only one with no problem with Bible slash. Okay, the only one, period.
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ren_17_au
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Oh, My GOd. Anne Frank fanfiction. Anne Frank Fanfiction. Its disgusting. The first time I've flamed. And what made is slightly worse was that she was incorrect.
ButterflyInMotion
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They got information wrong on Anne Frank? Dude, that should be considered a sin. How can you not know the facts about Anne?
God. Some people.
Justin Cognito
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ren_17_au, you think that's bad? At FF.Net, they have Bible fanfiction. Bible fanfiction . If you'll excuse me, I'll be heading off to church for a few 500 Hail Marys.
ButterflyInMotion
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I'm pretty sure that all of the people who write Bible fic are atheists. Well, all the ones that I've talked to.
ren_17_au
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If you read the blurb at the back of the book you'd know that Anne was never told about her sister's death. And died 6 days after her. It was weird. Even worse was the 'crossover' of Anne Frank and Touched by an Angel.
Firecat
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Bible Slash?!?!?!?!?!
In about 10 seconds I found a God/Satan story and a Jesus/Noah story. And Jesus/Judas. And a Raphael/Asmodeus.
I need that wire brush of doom now, please. I think I'm going to hell just for reading the first paragraph of those stories.
ButterflyInMotion
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They got her sister's death wrong? Dude, that's just evil. People should not be screwing up on the basic facts of her life. Man. That's upsetting.
ren_17_au
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*snort* I'm checking out Tv, and they have Law and Order : SVC. Is there a new L&O show arlready?
I know BiM. I'm still in shock over the fact that ppl write Anne Frank fanfic. Most of it was poems, which I find OK, cause its a reaction to it. But writing about an event in a persons life, or worse making one up is awful.
Dani257
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Yes, I've seen Anne Frank fic. So wrong.
But, despite all this, there are some good fanfic stories out there. I read a lot of it. (Once in a blue moon, you even see a decent story on fanfiction.net)
vampy_chick_al
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Hang on. *scrubs brain with Wire Brush of Doom furiously* Okay, here you go, Firecat. This can't be hygenic.
Baz and I once went to FF.net and clicked on every fandom that looked odd, then curled up in little fetal balls and whimpered until it became blatantly obvious that it wasn't going away. We'd seen the Bible slash, and we prayed extra-hard at church, I can tell you that. We hadn't seen the Anne Frank stuff.
Dani-Ellie
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Bible Slash?!?!?!?!?!
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You have GOT to be kidding me.
There are certain things you don't write fan fiction about. The Bible is one of them. But Bible slash? There should be some sort of . . . I don't know, *something* to keep people from doing that. That is just very wrong.
Rhea
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Would you put the Simpsons episode where they fall asleep in church and dream of themselves in Bible stories in the category of "wrong"? Because I really enjoyed that ep. (However, I'm also an atheist, so... yeah.) I guess there is a difference between doing something fun and doing something incredibly squicky, though.
Joe Cloudheart
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I read Jesus slash once. [spoiler start]He does Judas. It's so Melrose Place! Anyway...[spoiler end] I laughed so hard I nearly cried.
I'm thinking of crossing 7th Heaven with a bunch of scifi shows. Dargo from Farscape can kill the lot of them, I'm sure. Ooh, or the guy from Brimstone. So many ideas...
And this is sure to make everyone arch an eyebrow or three:
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God grabbed Satan's neck and pulled him up to look him straight into the eye.
There it was , the fire and passion slowly melting away reason and morals.
"Don't talk to me like that Lucifer. You might be the light but I am the shadow
that follows you!"
Gently he took Satan's face into his hands and kissed him slightly on his soft
lips. But the next kiss wasn't gentle. God forced his tongue into Satan's mouth,
angelic blood mixing with human spit, almost suffocating the black angel. God's
hands gripped Satan's hips and he pressed himself into the helpless dark Lord.
Satan closed his eyes. Yes, he wanted it. It seemed too long ago, the last time
he had shared any intimacy. Trembling in God's arms he whimpered in pleasure.
God ran a hand down Satan's chest stopping right above the waistline of his
pants.
"Tell me you want it too!" God ordered with no love or even sympathy in his
voice.
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OMg!!! I luv uR stoery!!!!!!!!!! LOL;;;;; >____9 So kewl! lolllll! Yeay, God slash! >>kissses000lollipopsandotherassorteditemsmentionedthataresu retomakeyouheave<<
Oh, and from there on out the story gets steamy. Don't you all just feel so moved? **proceeds laughing his ass off*
Rhea
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Bwah! That Jesus one sounds hysterical. (Hey, I'm already going to hell, might as well enjoy it....)
Dude. If you ever write that Farscape one, please, post the link or e-mail it to me. Seeing D'Argo take out every 7th Heaven character would just about make my life complete. (I'm thinking of buying a D'Argo action figure today. Hee. If they made 7th Heaven figures, I might consider buying at least one for the D'Argster to take his Qualta Blade to.)
Edited: Oh. MY. That edit of Joe's wasn't in there when I posted. It's train wreck time!
vampy_chick_al
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The Simpsons was funny. This is just...ew.
You do know we're all going straight to hell, don't you? And I'm fairly certain there's a back room reserved for whoever wrote that stuff.
Dani-Ellie
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Would you put the Simpsons episode where they fall asleep in church and dream of themselves in Bible stories in the category of "wrong"?
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No, because were they rewriting the Bible? (I haven't seen it, so I'm really asking). If they weren't messing with it, then it's fine. It's one thing to try to be cute, but to play with stories from the Bible and make them icky? Just rubs me the wrong way (I'm not even particularly religious. I just think it's because religion is such a large part of so many people's lives is what's making the difference for me ::shrug::)
MyopiaGirl
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Hee. Bible slash. That's really amusing. I mean..you just KNOW these people are doing it to be all 'ooh aren't I shocking' and it isn't going to come off very well.
I don't understand writing fanfiction about shows just because they're there...like, most sitcoms don't work well with fanfic, nor would things like Law&Order. Maybe because the first is based on jokes rather than characters, and the second on crimes rather than characters. Hmm. Yes. I had a point.
ren_17_au
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Seriously put that in spoilers! That is just wrong. Awful. I honestly feel like I'm going to be sick. As someone who went to a Christian school for 6 years that just offends me on so many leves. I can't even begin to imange how a Christian would react to that. Its beyongd offensive.
Hans the bold
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Actually, what might be called Bible fanfic has a long and storied history. In the Midrashim, the Rabbis wrote fanciful sotries based on Biblical stories, filling the gaps in the original texts and providing their own interpretations of what they thought the story was trying to say. Some of the Midrashim are quite sexual, too, though I doubt VERY seriously the Rabbis ever wrote could be called slash. More recently, Christian theologians have been more than happy to write Bible fanfiction (We all saw "The Ten Commandments", which was about as true to the Biblical story as my pet duck).
Why anyone would write Bible slash, or Bible porno, is absolutely beyond me. And Anne Frank fanfic is just yucky...
This message has been edited by Hans the bold on February 01,2002 at 02:44:15 AM EST
ButterflyInMotion
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There is sex in the Bible. The Song of Solomon is fairly explict in a poetic way. And there are incidents of incest that are treated fairly lightly. The Bible isn't exactly light reading material. It's full of adult content, both sexual and violent. As a baptized and confirmed Christian(Evangelical Lutheran), I don't have a problem with people using the archetypes presented in the Bible as a way of working out their own issues.
Raksha
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And couldn't that damn stupid Left Behind series be considered fan fic? Of a sorts?
But Bible slash? Slash??? I'm not Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but that's just...gah. Bleh. Nyah. And, might I add, feh.
So, there's been a surge of posts in the fanfic topic about the 'ickyness' of Bible slash. I'm almost the only admitted Christian and yet I'm pretty much the only one with no problem with Bible slash. Okay, the only one, period.
The format for the posts below is
Poster
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ren_17_au
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Oh, My GOd. Anne Frank fanfiction. Anne Frank Fanfiction. Its disgusting. The first time I've flamed. And what made is slightly worse was that she was incorrect.
ButterflyInMotion
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They got information wrong on Anne Frank? Dude, that should be considered a sin. How can you not know the facts about Anne?
God. Some people.
Justin Cognito
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ren_17_au, you think that's bad? At FF.Net, they have Bible fanfiction. Bible fanfiction . If you'll excuse me, I'll be heading off to church for a few 500 Hail Marys.
ButterflyInMotion
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I'm pretty sure that all of the people who write Bible fic are atheists. Well, all the ones that I've talked to.
ren_17_au
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If you read the blurb at the back of the book you'd know that Anne was never told about her sister's death. And died 6 days after her. It was weird. Even worse was the 'crossover' of Anne Frank and Touched by an Angel.
Firecat
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Bible Slash?!?!?!?!?!
In about 10 seconds I found a God/Satan story and a Jesus/Noah story. And Jesus/Judas. And a Raphael/Asmodeus.
I need that wire brush of doom now, please. I think I'm going to hell just for reading the first paragraph of those stories.
ButterflyInMotion
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They got her sister's death wrong? Dude, that's just evil. People should not be screwing up on the basic facts of her life. Man. That's upsetting.
ren_17_au
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*snort* I'm checking out Tv, and they have Law and Order : SVC. Is there a new L&O show arlready?
I know BiM. I'm still in shock over the fact that ppl write Anne Frank fanfic. Most of it was poems, which I find OK, cause its a reaction to it. But writing about an event in a persons life, or worse making one up is awful.
Dani257
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Yes, I've seen Anne Frank fic. So wrong.
But, despite all this, there are some good fanfic stories out there. I read a lot of it. (Once in a blue moon, you even see a decent story on fanfiction.net)
vampy_chick_al
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Hang on. *scrubs brain with Wire Brush of Doom furiously* Okay, here you go, Firecat. This can't be hygenic.
Baz and I once went to FF.net and clicked on every fandom that looked odd, then curled up in little fetal balls and whimpered until it became blatantly obvious that it wasn't going away. We'd seen the Bible slash, and we prayed extra-hard at church, I can tell you that. We hadn't seen the Anne Frank stuff.
Dani-Ellie
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Bible Slash?!?!?!?!?!
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You have GOT to be kidding me.
There are certain things you don't write fan fiction about. The Bible is one of them. But Bible slash? There should be some sort of . . . I don't know, *something* to keep people from doing that. That is just very wrong.
Rhea
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Would you put the Simpsons episode where they fall asleep in church and dream of themselves in Bible stories in the category of "wrong"? Because I really enjoyed that ep. (However, I'm also an atheist, so... yeah.) I guess there is a difference between doing something fun and doing something incredibly squicky, though.
Joe Cloudheart
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I read Jesus slash once. [spoiler start]He does Judas. It's so Melrose Place! Anyway...[spoiler end] I laughed so hard I nearly cried.
I'm thinking of crossing 7th Heaven with a bunch of scifi shows. Dargo from Farscape can kill the lot of them, I'm sure. Ooh, or the guy from Brimstone. So many ideas...
And this is sure to make everyone arch an eyebrow or three:
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God grabbed Satan's neck and pulled him up to look him straight into the eye.
There it was , the fire and passion slowly melting away reason and morals.
"Don't talk to me like that Lucifer. You might be the light but I am the shadow
that follows you!"
Gently he took Satan's face into his hands and kissed him slightly on his soft
lips. But the next kiss wasn't gentle. God forced his tongue into Satan's mouth,
angelic blood mixing with human spit, almost suffocating the black angel. God's
hands gripped Satan's hips and he pressed himself into the helpless dark Lord.
Satan closed his eyes. Yes, he wanted it. It seemed too long ago, the last time
he had shared any intimacy. Trembling in God's arms he whimpered in pleasure.
God ran a hand down Satan's chest stopping right above the waistline of his
pants.
"Tell me you want it too!" God ordered with no love or even sympathy in his
voice.
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OMg!!! I luv uR stoery!!!!!!!!!! LOL;;;;; >____9 So kewl! lolllll! Yeay, God slash! >>kissses000lollipopsandotherassorteditemsmentionedthataresu retomakeyouheave<<
Oh, and from there on out the story gets steamy. Don't you all just feel so moved? **proceeds laughing his ass off*
Rhea
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Bwah! That Jesus one sounds hysterical. (Hey, I'm already going to hell, might as well enjoy it....)
Dude. If you ever write that Farscape one, please, post the link or e-mail it to me. Seeing D'Argo take out every 7th Heaven character would just about make my life complete. (I'm thinking of buying a D'Argo action figure today. Hee. If they made 7th Heaven figures, I might consider buying at least one for the D'Argster to take his Qualta Blade to.)
Edited: Oh. MY. That edit of Joe's wasn't in there when I posted. It's train wreck time!
vampy_chick_al
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The Simpsons was funny. This is just...ew.
You do know we're all going straight to hell, don't you? And I'm fairly certain there's a back room reserved for whoever wrote that stuff.
Dani-Ellie
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Would you put the Simpsons episode where they fall asleep in church and dream of themselves in Bible stories in the category of "wrong"?
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No, because were they rewriting the Bible? (I haven't seen it, so I'm really asking). If they weren't messing with it, then it's fine. It's one thing to try to be cute, but to play with stories from the Bible and make them icky? Just rubs me the wrong way (I'm not even particularly religious. I just think it's because religion is such a large part of so many people's lives is what's making the difference for me ::shrug::)
MyopiaGirl
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Hee. Bible slash. That's really amusing. I mean..you just KNOW these people are doing it to be all 'ooh aren't I shocking' and it isn't going to come off very well.
I don't understand writing fanfiction about shows just because they're there...like, most sitcoms don't work well with fanfic, nor would things like Law&Order. Maybe because the first is based on jokes rather than characters, and the second on crimes rather than characters. Hmm. Yes. I had a point.
ren_17_au
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Seriously put that in spoilers! That is just wrong. Awful. I honestly feel like I'm going to be sick. As someone who went to a Christian school for 6 years that just offends me on so many leves. I can't even begin to imange how a Christian would react to that. Its beyongd offensive.
Hans the bold
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Actually, what might be called Bible fanfic has a long and storied history. In the Midrashim, the Rabbis wrote fanciful sotries based on Biblical stories, filling the gaps in the original texts and providing their own interpretations of what they thought the story was trying to say. Some of the Midrashim are quite sexual, too, though I doubt VERY seriously the Rabbis ever wrote could be called slash. More recently, Christian theologians have been more than happy to write Bible fanfiction (We all saw "The Ten Commandments", which was about as true to the Biblical story as my pet duck).
Why anyone would write Bible slash, or Bible porno, is absolutely beyond me. And Anne Frank fanfic is just yucky...
This message has been edited by Hans the bold on February 01,2002 at 02:44:15 AM EST
ButterflyInMotion
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There is sex in the Bible. The Song of Solomon is fairly explict in a poetic way. And there are incidents of incest that are treated fairly lightly. The Bible isn't exactly light reading material. It's full of adult content, both sexual and violent. As a baptized and confirmed Christian(Evangelical Lutheran), I don't have a problem with people using the archetypes presented in the Bible as a way of working out their own issues.
Raksha
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And couldn't that damn stupid Left Behind series be considered fan fic? Of a sorts?
But Bible slash? Slash??? I'm not Christian by any stretch of the imagination, but that's just...gah. Bleh. Nyah. And, might I add, feh.