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Oct. 2nd, 2004 12:48 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
butterflySo, I bought the Apocalypse West 2002 dvd for the Comedy Tonight vid, but the vids that I've been rewatching are the Stargate ones (Ever Since the World Began is a sweet team vid, Settling is a neat Sam&Jolinear vid, and Playing with the Big Boys is the SGC vs the Goa'uld and it kicks ass). Stargate is oddly frustrating, because I do think that it's fascinating and deep and could be explored and... whenever it's actually on, I get all distracted by Daniel. And the way that the slashiness of the show leaps out at me, to the extent of not really being able to read the show outside it, while at the same time really enjoying reading gen fanfic... it's odd.
I've been visiting a Stargate forum and it's fascinating how often they seem to mention that they know that 'the characters aren't gay' in a way that I don't notice so much in other shows. It's this odd defensiveness, possibly borne out of what seems to be the huge issue in SG-1 fandom -- slash vs ship (which is again, such an odd way for me to see it, as I think of slash pairings as 'ships). Or it could just be that forum. I'm not that incredibly well-versed in SG-1 fandom.
Anyway, It's odd to me because I'm used to fandoms where, when 'shipping slash pairings, I do read the characters as gay (or, more commonly, bisexual). In the Jossverse, it was a tangible possibility, but even when I explored other fandoms, that possessiveness existed. I see the ending of due South as a true happy ending, complete with a fulfilled romantic pairing. It's not something that only exists when I have my 'slash goggles' on. (Because dude, Fraser and Kowalski were totally doing it. "Breathing kinda hard there.") With everything that I've seen so far in Stargate, I do see the Jack/Daniel interplay as different than 'just friends' or even 'best friends'. Now, they could live until Daniel's also a grumpy old man and never have sex, but the idea of sex is almost incidental in my vision of their relationship anyway. There's just a level of completion when Jack and Daniel are together that just doesn't happen with anyone else. They finish sentences and share ideas and words. They've adjusted and changed because of each other, each taking on some of the other's traits. They can communicate emotional exchanges using glances and names (Abyss, when Jack conveys his suicidal thoughts to Daniel witout at first saying as much). They've been through the same arguments so many times that they use shorthand and skip to the end (Icon, where they have the shortest discussion about whether Daniel should go, because they already know the ending).
It really helps that the actors have tons of chemistry together. Seriously, though, they've been through all the ups and downs of a long-term relationship. They got to know each other, had a honeymoon period, had rough times, separated, and then got back together. I like watching the show because of Daniel and his sizzle and sparkle with Jack. That's my favorite part, though I adore the fake mythology and the gods=aliens premise.
With Fraser and Kowalski though, I'm in it for lots and lots of really hot, intense sex. And emotional contact, of course, but I need the sex, too, yo.
I've been visiting a Stargate forum and it's fascinating how often they seem to mention that they know that 'the characters aren't gay' in a way that I don't notice so much in other shows. It's this odd defensiveness, possibly borne out of what seems to be the huge issue in SG-1 fandom -- slash vs ship (which is again, such an odd way for me to see it, as I think of slash pairings as 'ships). Or it could just be that forum. I'm not that incredibly well-versed in SG-1 fandom.
Anyway, It's odd to me because I'm used to fandoms where, when 'shipping slash pairings, I do read the characters as gay (or, more commonly, bisexual). In the Jossverse, it was a tangible possibility, but even when I explored other fandoms, that possessiveness existed. I see the ending of due South as a true happy ending, complete with a fulfilled romantic pairing. It's not something that only exists when I have my 'slash goggles' on. (Because dude, Fraser and Kowalski were totally doing it. "Breathing kinda hard there.") With everything that I've seen so far in Stargate, I do see the Jack/Daniel interplay as different than 'just friends' or even 'best friends'. Now, they could live until Daniel's also a grumpy old man and never have sex, but the idea of sex is almost incidental in my vision of their relationship anyway. There's just a level of completion when Jack and Daniel are together that just doesn't happen with anyone else. They finish sentences and share ideas and words. They've adjusted and changed because of each other, each taking on some of the other's traits. They can communicate emotional exchanges using glances and names (Abyss, when Jack conveys his suicidal thoughts to Daniel witout at first saying as much). They've been through the same arguments so many times that they use shorthand and skip to the end (Icon, where they have the shortest discussion about whether Daniel should go, because they already know the ending).
It really helps that the actors have tons of chemistry together. Seriously, though, they've been through all the ups and downs of a long-term relationship. They got to know each other, had a honeymoon period, had rough times, separated, and then got back together. I like watching the show because of Daniel and his sizzle and sparkle with Jack. That's my favorite part, though I adore the fake mythology and the gods=aliens premise.
With Fraser and Kowalski though, I'm in it for lots and lots of really hot, intense sex. And emotional contact, of course, but I need the sex, too, yo.