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[butterfly]

So, I'm watching my BtVS tapes to make sure that I have the right labels and...

I just saw the end of Lovers Walk and my heart broke into a thousand tiny pieces. Xander and Willow screw up so badly and then you have Buffy and Angel...

Buffy: "What I want from you, I can never have. You don't need me to take care of you anymore, so I'm going to go."
Angel: "I don't accept that."
Buffy: "You have to."
Angel: "There's got to be some way we can still see each other ."
Buffy: "There is. Tell me that you don't love me."

And, of course, he can't. So she walks away.

*sniffles as her OMG! Tragic Love! button is hit*

It didn't hurt like that the first time around. I wasn't at all invested in Angel's character, so I didn't care much. Enough.

ETA: OMG! The mood icon is so appropriate!

Comments

[arclevel.livejournal.com]

I think it would affect me more if they weren't back together in two episodes. Honestly, I just couldn't (and still can't) buy the whole "forever, all-consuming love" bit in Season 3, from either of them.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

I think that I buy it, in retrospect, because of Chosen. Because of the way that Buffy lights up when she sees Angel and the way his whole world is her again, just for when he's with her. That their love is still that strong after four years of barely seeing each other speaks volumes. Buffy was the first person that Angel loved, she made him perfectly happy. He was her first love. They'll never forget each other, never stop loving each other.

None of which means that I think they should get back together. Like they said many times -- none of the things that made their relationship impossible have changed.

[arclevel.livejournal.com]

I think I look at it the other way around. I don't really buy that they're that deeply in love with each other in Season 3, and it seems less so in each of their later meetings. As such, most of those meetings leave me cold (at least), and the whole "Angel's my forever love and I'll never love anyone as much as him" thing really just irritates me. (For one thing, it's not romantic so much as astoundingly depressing.) The fact that Spike's my favorite character just helps seal my hatred for that scene in Chosen.

I believe they were in love in Season 2, to be certain, and that they thought of themselves as in love after that, but I don't think the intensity of feeling was actually there. I can see them *wanting* to reclaim that; for Buffy, it was when she was innocent and relatively happy, and for Angel, it's the one truly happy time in his last century-plus. So there's definitely warm feelings from nostalgia there. I can also see that they'll always still love each other on some level for the same reasons, plus, as you said, the first love aspect for Buffy. But I agree with you about a relationship being a bad idea (for more reasons than theirs), and then some, and I just find I can't buy the whole Buffy/Angel madly-and-forever-in-love vibe that the writers were so keen to sell.

[butterfly.livejournal.com]

My thing is that I didn't buy it during. I was such the Xander fangirl my first time through. My true Buffy fangirlness didn't hit until Season Six. So, the first time through? I hated Angel and the B/A relationship. Chosen was the first time that I realised... wow, Angel makes Buffy's eyes light up. And she was my girl by then. He made my girl happy, just by existing. Huge thing for me. And it made me completely re-evaluate their relationship.