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butterfly ([personal profile] butterfly) wrote2005-09-17 06:13 am

General: All with the Love

Well, this is my four-thousandth post. That's a lot of posts.

*squints*

Yep, that's quite a lot of posts. In celebration of this, I give you a brief history of my life in fandom and what it has taught me.

Star Trek(s)

I grew up watching The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager. Quit Voyager at about the half-way point and only watched the first episode of Enterprise. This is the fandom that taught about being fannish and what a fan was. Because I grew up with fannish parents and around fannish people, fannish is the norm for me. My parents played D&D with friends and taught my brother and me how to at a young age (I haven't kept it up, but my brother has). I've always been bookish and a touch geeky and this is a part of me that I have no issues with. My particularly geekishness is book and word-related rather than math or engineering, but while I don't always understand the specific vocabulary of any given fannish sort, I do always understand the enthusiasm and am capable of finding that interesting even when I don't understand the context.


Buffy the Vampire Slayer

When I hit my mid-teens, I needed something that was made for me, specifically. For my brand of weird. And BtVS was just that. I started watching during the first season summer reruns and didn't miss an episode after that (missed the first ten minutes once, and that was pretty much a horrible emergency situation at the time -- you can check with my mom. I was distraught.). BtVS is the show that I always say 'saved my life', which is true, if horribly dramatic. It also taught me about online fandom, which I hadn't known before (related to this is the other show that I picked up at the time, which was Dawson's Creek, but I'm only clocking fandoms that I've learnt something in, and the learning in DC came quite a bit later). I learned about 'shipping and suchlike. I learned about the existence of slash, but BtVS wasn't the fandom that I learned to write slash in, as I was (and remain) a firm Buffy/Xander shipper (and hey, they have such a good chance at coming together, post-series, what with both of them being alive! I was really happy about that, the living thing).

This is the show that I grew up with -- Buffy and the gang were one short year older than I was, so I could identify with them pretty easily. I love them. I love them for failing, and for never letting that failure define them, and instead being defined by the way they get up and find a new thing to try. The way they always manage to break through the boxes and the false dichotomies that the world gives them. There's the easy way, there's the hard way, and then there's Buffy's way. It taught me so much about how to look more deeply at the world, how to ask questions, how to search for meaning, because the meaning is there, even if it's unintended by the creator.


*NSYNC

Found these guys the easy way -- I was a major TRL junkie as a mid-teen. *NSYNC just... clicked for me. All these years later, listening to their music still can give me chills (particularly the a cappella stuff). Their voices blend beautifully. And this is where I discovered slash. I knew of its existence from Buffy, but this fandom taught me how to write slash, and that I wanted to. This is also the fandom where I discovered lj and that slash-inclined sorts were hanging about on it.

The very important step that distinguishes this phase -- I told my mom that I was writing fanfiction, and showed her a piece of said writing (which was slash). And my mom was very supportive of me finding an outlet for my creativity, though a touch worried by how intense I was with it all. All in all, she's been very good about supporting me in general.


due South

Switch over to writing-mode, this is the fandom that taught me about attention to detail. Benton Fraser is a very detail-oriented character, so to write from his point of view meant noticing things that I never thought to notice on my own. Brief aside, this is my 'pure happy ending' fandom. Giddy rush of joy just thinking about how it ends, I tell you.

*happy sigh*

This fandom also gave me another hero, a non-Buffy hero. Benton Fraser is... a guy that I've felt close to since I first saw Mountie on the Bounty, my first episode. I feel like I can really understand him -- both of us were raised by librarians, we both sit outside the norm on many issues, and we both think RayK is really hot.


Angel the Series

This fandom, above all else, taught me about internet politics, about human interaction. This is probably the fandom where I've felt the most hurt, both by the show and by the fandom itself, but it's also a fandom that has given me intense joy. I love Buffy with a fierceness, but the visceral reaction that Angel can pull out has such a power that I can't even come up with the words, even now. This show has made me want to throw up. It's made me give up on it in agony, only to come back a few episodes later, longing for a fix.

Angel packs a punch, and aims right for the weakest spots. Makes sense that the fandom would have an intensity to match it. Makes sense that this is the fandom where the aches echo years later, where the pain remains just as clear as the glory.


Stargate: SG-1

The show that I picked up as Angel ended (not gently, but with a rage and a fire). I needed a hero again, like Benton Fraser. I needed someone that I could lean on. I found Daniel and I found Jack. Daniel Jackson is... he's a lot like the other heroes that I love so much. He's another of the bookish sorts that I feel a deep kinship with.

Stargate fandom is where I learnt how to finish a series. I'd started some before, in previous fandoms, but I never managed to finish one. In SG1, I was so moved by the brief glimpse of our Daniel in Moebius (2), that I felt inspired to write a nine-part series. It has a beginning and it has an end, and it has a middle. It has both individual plots and character arcs. I'm pretty thrilled with it, all told.


Star Wars

My new baby. Seriously, watching RotS, I felt something click. There's a thread that runs through every couple that I ship and in everything that I write. It's something that was actually summed up amazingly-well in the movie Maurice, with this perfect line -- "Did you ever dream you had a friend? Someone to last your whole life?"

At the baseline, this is what all my pairings are about. I'm attracted to pairings that feel as though they match up, as though they, could, indeed, be 'friends to last an entire life'. And in Obi-Wan and Anakin, I found what feels like the ultimate epic expression of this theme. They have a bumpy beginning, and they don't entirely understand each other, and they end up estranged for years, but they never stop caring, never stop thinking about each other. To Obi-Wan, Anakin is always, first and foremost, 'a good friend'. For Anakin, Obi-Wan is still the person he wants to prove himself to. No matter what, they matter to each other in a way that lasts an entire life, that lasts past their mortal lives. Despite their misunderstandings, they have a commonality of spirit that sings to me.

SW is the fandom that is bringing me interesting personal insights, some of which I'm not quite ready to say aloud just yet (or type, as the case happens to be).


This does not cover every fandom that I love, or even every fandom that I've written in. It just covers some of the ones that I felt taught me important lessons that I've carried with me, not just into new fandoms, but into life. Lessons about viewing the world and the people around me. Lessons about questions and about answers.

And, in every fandom that I've entered, I've encountered at least a few bright and wonderful souls that I've stayed near, people that I couldn't imagine not deeply caring about, no matter where my fandom interests take me. People like [livejournal.com profile] fox1013 and [livejournal.com profile] brooding_soul, my first friends on the internet, who I met on MBTV before I'd ever signed up on lj or heard of its existence. People like [livejournal.com profile] kita0610 and [livejournal.com profile] ros_fod, who I've gone through emotionally-tough times with, and who I'm exceedingly grateful to know.

Honestly, I could run down my flist and call out dozens (hell, hundreds) of names. You, all of you, give my life color and life beyond anything that I could have imagined. I keep thinking that I should do some sort of flist culling, but every time that I call up that edit page, I realize that I can't part with a single one of you. People that I've known from the *NSYNC days, people that I have discovered searching out new fandoms... each of you brings a vivid shade of color to my flist and to my life. Here, there's a flash of hobbit love that I couldn't do without, and over there, the Harry Potter flame burns bright and I want to bask in the fire. 

I love them all. I still love them all.

And I don't see that love going anywhere any time soon.

In celebration of such a day as this (four thousand posts, man!), I just want to say that, if you want to know, I will tell you why I think you're all types of wonderful. Comment to receive love. As simple as that. I have Saturdays off, so I should have pretty good response time today, too.

[identity profile] therisingmoon.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 01:16 pm (UTC)(link)
it's because of you that i started enjoying watching angel reruns and covet the first four seasons on dvd and own the fifth season. :)
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, that's so sweet to read. It really is.

You're still my JuLa co-pilot. If I ever get another Popslash bunny, you'd be the first person that I would mention it to.

[identity profile] umbo.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, go ahead, tell me--I'm having a busy and stressful weekend, so I could use it :-)
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
There is so much.

Because, apart from the shared fandoms and shared politics, I find your personal posts very interesting as well (recently, I was very intrigued by your mention of Right Speech, which I heard in a couple of places back when I was in school but never followed up on).

You're very articulate and appealing in your posts and I'm vastly impressed by your ability to make lists (a talent I rather spectacularly lack). On the shallow side, I adore your personalization of your icons -- the text and color of 'shell' is always perfectly matched to the icon you put it on.
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
4000 posts! Wow, congradulations on the milestone. I know I enjoy reading your posts, esp. the fannish thoughts. I will hit 1,000 posts in a few days myself.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

And congrats on your upcoming milestone.

I remember how thrilled I was when I heard that you'd arrived on livejournal -- I have long loved All Things Philosophical, though I was never brave enough to do more than a short post or two on the boards there, myself. It's a wonderfully put-together site, and the content... you have this place that shows, very easily, all the depth that lies within the Buffyverse.

And it's so neat and amazing to get to know the person behind such a wonderful website. Also, I, too, bought Season 1 of Lois and Clark soon after it came out.
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[identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! I'm glad we've gotten to know each other, too.

As for L&C, after I got my DVDs, I decided to watch the show all the way through on my VHS tapes. I'd forgotten how delightfully absurd it is. ; )
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-19 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
As for L&C, after I got my DVDs, I decided to watch the show all the way through on my VHS tapes. I'd forgotten how delightfully absurd it is.

It really is. That show had heart and a great sense of humor.

[identity profile] girlfromsouth.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, congrats! That's amazing! YAY!!

(I, for one, am glad you're on my flist!)
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

And I'm thrilled to have you on my flist, too. Buffy and Angel were (and really, still are) such very intense fandoms.

You are also one of the people who has made me seriously jones to see Doctor Who. I haven't succumbed yet, but I have this voice that is whispering that I really want to see it.

You're one of the people that I simply can't remember what my flist was like before you were a part of it, where it feels like you always were on it. It's a good feeling.
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[personal profile] wolfling 2005-09-17 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
You make me feel like a slacker -- I'm coming up on my fifth LJ anniversary and I've yet to hit 1,000 posts.

Your posts tend to be always insightful and among the most thought provoking ones on my friendslist; I always look forward to reading them.

(And yeah, this is me commenting as well. :) )
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Slacker! Hee.

Did I mention yet that I adored your new vids? No?

I adored your new vids! As I have adored all of your vids. I think that you're the person who made me think that maybe I could do that vidding thing, too, because your vids make such intuitive sense to me. You are also the person that I most associate Doyle with, and that's a very positive thing, as I still adore Doyle muchly. Also, I've loved your username for as long as I've known you, though I don't think I've mention that before. But yes. Wolfling. It's completely adorable.

Your posts tend to be always insightful and among the most thought provoking ones on my friendslist; I always look forward to reading them.

Aw. That's... aw. Thank you. *blushes*

[identity profile] blueswan9.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I've enjoyed your thoughts on shows especially SG-1. That level of ethused joy for anything is something I can appreciate.

You're pretty wonderful your own self.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! And yes, my joy is vast. It contains multitudes.

Also, you definitely need to watch due South. Bob, especially, is hysterical and needs to be viewed personally and not just read about. You mentioned a little bit ago that you are planning on watching it, and I'd just love to hear your perspective on it once you see it. It's a show that really is as weird as its fanfic, and that's always fun.

And you have the House love, and I seem to enjoy other people writing opinions on the show more than I actually want to write opinions myself.

[identity profile] brooding-soul.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
My God, it feels like jsut yesterday when we started talking. Has it really been...God, five years? That's crazy.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
I know! We've known each other for, like, all of eternity. It cannot have been half a decade already!

And I feel so bad, because I still love you as much as ever, but I haven't replied to your posts in forever. I read them and I hover over the reply button and then I panic and say, "But I haven't spoken to him in forever. What if he has forgotten me?" Which makes so little sense and yet. Emotion is irrational.

*hugs*

[identity profile] starsprinkles.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It's always hard for me to describe why I love Buffy so much, it just means SO much to me and anything I say about it sounds lame, but you are so much more eloquent than I, and this line: I love them for failing, and for never letting that failure define them, and instead being defined by the way they get up and find a new thing to try. That's fantastic. So perfect.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
*blushes*

Thank you. Buffy still has such the strong hold on me.

You always make me think of glitter and diamonds, of shiny pretty with substance underneath. You're quality, with sparkles. Just seeing your name on my flist makes me grin, every time.

[identity profile] starsprinkles.livejournal.com 2005-09-19 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, thanks! You totally made me all glowy. =)
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-19 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, well, I'm very certain that glowy suits you quite well!

[identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
You were the one who made me get an LJ, dude. Were it not for you, I... well, I would have a lot more free time. But it wouldn't be as much fun.

*hugs quietly*

It is good you are here.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
*hugs back*

It's good to be here.

And I can't even... you and brood were my first online friends. You guys will always be the other two-thirds of my mental trio. No matter what fandoms I enter, how many people I meet, you have made a permanent impression on my heart and soul.

When I think of brilliant people that I know, you are always on the list. And you're the eternal newbie and it's incredibly charming on you.
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[personal profile] jic 2005-09-17 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs*

RayK is hit, yo.

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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Totally hit. He may even be hat.

*grins*

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2005-09-17 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
*Mwah*

I'm glad you're still around these parts.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks, hon.

And... for you, I could not begin to sum up. There's so much. You make me smile. You make me think. You make me understand Angel/Spike. As much as anyone can, at least. Whenever you post anything at all, no matter what it is, you remind me of how much I love Angel, because seeing your name just reminds me Angel and Angel.

[identity profile] krabbypatty.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, 4000? I've had you on my friends list for a long time and I still get a smile every time I see you use the 'smile' Christina icon I made years ago. :)

I grew up watching The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager.
Me too, minus the Voyager part. DS9 will always be my favorite.

BtVS is the show that I always say 'saved my life', which is true, if horribly dramatic. It also taught me about online fandom, which I hadn't known before
Again, me too, except NSYNC, not Buffy. NSYNC and getting into the fandom helped me when my parents were getting divoreced and tearing me in two directions.

I'm just getting into Angel, but already it's caused me joy and pain, and I love it.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-18 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's such a gorgeous icon. I still adore so much. It's perfect for showing undiluted happiness! And, bonus, it makes me think of you, and then I smile all over again.

Again, me too, except NSYNC, not Buffy. NSYNC and getting into the fandom helped me when my parents were getting divoreced and tearing me in two directions.

Yes, that's part of what Buffy helped me with as well. Divorce is very much the opposite of fun.

*hugs*

And the Angel is such an ultimately worthwhile journey, though a painful one. You will not regret it.
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[personal profile] coneyislandbaby 2005-09-19 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wonderful post. I love what you said about Trek and all about fandom and just...I love seeing your posts on my list. You always make me think, no matter the subject. Sometimes it's a smile for the love and the squee, sometimes it's a tear or a deep thought for the serious stuff, but you always affect me - and that's a good thing.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-22 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, thank you.

And you're another of the people that has been on my flist for the entirety of eternity. Though I think that we initially bonded over the Matt/Ben love.

And reading your more recent posts can make me wish that I hadn't stopped watching the SV. Though I'll probably end up getting it on dvd. *grins*

[identity profile] trepkos.livejournal.com 2005-09-19 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I met Armin Shimmerman at the weekend - so cool.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-22 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
Ooo! That is so very cool. I've seen a few of the ST actors at cons, but not Armin, and he's a BtVS guy, too, so it's doubly neat!
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[personal profile] thawrecka 2005-09-20 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
It's very interesting to read your brief history of life in fandom. I really like the way you describe what those fandoms gave to you and what it's been like for you in the fandom. Also, I can really feel your love for the fandoms, in spite of their flaws.

Thank you for this.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-09-22 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
Aw, thank you and you're welcome.

I do have massive amounts of love (and, honestly, there are times when the flaws can make me love something even more). And these shows have caused so much amazing meta, crit, and fic to spring up. Anything that encourages creativity on that high a level is a wonderful thing, I do believe.

And because I do not say this anywhere near enough -- I adore the icons that you make. I may have to go check out the newish Eve ones more closely, because I kinda want an icon of her again.
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[personal profile] thawrecka 2005-09-23 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
I adore the icons that you make.

Thank you! Now I'm blushing. I've been very much in the mood to make Eve icons this last couple of weeks because so few people do. I didn't start to like her until the last third of season 5 but my love since then just continues to grow.

Anything that encourages creativity on that high a level is a wonderful thing, I do believe.

I definitely agree. This is why I will always love Buffy fandom and why I really do like large chunks of Harry Potter fandom in spite of how crazy it makes me.