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butterfly ([personal profile] butterfly) wrote2007-09-21 08:05 pm
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Doctor Who: Did we need Martha?

Because Russell T Davies seemed to feel that the show needed to have a character who would fall in (unrequited) love with the Doctor, thus illustrating the difference between Rose and everyone else. Did it?

In some superficial ways, Martha is quite a lot like Rose -- pretty, clever Londoner girls, both of them. They even get some echo dialogue in the early episodes. The show puts them in comparable situations frequently. There are both parallels to draw and contrasts to mark.

Mostly, though, there's the Doctor.

I wasn't surprised about Martha's emotional arc. And, though it was heavy-handed at times ("He had to fall in love with a human... and it wasn't me."), I actually do agree with RTD that it was necessary. In order to establish someone as One Thing, you need to establish someone else as Other Thing. And, in this particular context, he wanted to make a distinction between one character and the entire history and future of characters to come.

Yes -- Martha was, in part, all about how special Rose was. Which sucks if you hate Rose. If you hate Rose Tyler, then a series of television that is basically saying, "Yeah, that blonde chick? One of a kind," is pretty much guaranteed to piss you off (and, of course, to the person desperately missing Rose, having episode after episode point out how irreplaceable she was is hardly going to help in the process of getting over her).

But... as the show makes very, very clear -- Rose isn't special in the ultimate 'best person ever' way. She's special in the 'best person for this one specific character/relationship' way. The Doctor writes out that she's 'perfect Rose' and, to him, she is. Now, was Rose actually portrayed as a 'perfect' character?

*bursts out laughing*

She could be petty and jealous. She wandered off. She had a tendency to throw herself into dangerous situations for personal reasons. She nearly destroyed the world because she couldn't listen to instructions. Rose Tyler was flawed.

In a lot of ways, Martha is a 'better' person. Higher class (which matters to some people). More education. Better at staying put and following instructions. Tends to do the right thing. Not so apt to get into trouble. Again, not a perfect person (she, too, had the flaw of 'jealousy'), but from an objective standpoint, probably a better bet to make. But, as they say, the heart has reasons that reason cannot know.

Now, Martha is not the first time that New Who made the distinction between Rose and Other Companions. In fact, every time that the Doctor took on someone else, it was made clear that the Doctor and Rose were a unit and other folk were nice but not necessary (something that Jack took much more easily than Mickey). Rose is the person who invites Adam and Jack on board and is also clearly the impetus for the Doctor inviting Sarah Jane on board.

There are two pre-S3 examples of the difference between Rose and Everyone Else. The first is in The Parting of the Ways, when the Doctor sends Rose home, keeps her out of danger, while everyone else is involved in the fighting (made very clear when he calls her over to help him with the wiring and takes her out of the 'active fighter' count). The second is in School Reunion and the conversation in the street that ends with the Doctor telling Rose that she won't be left behind and very nearly telling her that he loves her ("Imagine watching that happen to someone you-").

And SR, of course, has Sarah Jane -- who serves as our stand-in for Old School Companions. The Doctor very clearly has both admiration and affection for Sarah Jane (just as he does for Martha), but he's utterly thrown by the notion that he was her 'life' and that she couldn't move on without him (we see this echoed when Martha says that the Doctor is 'everything' to her, while she's basically a side-note to him -- a fun, smart, lovable side-note, but a side-note nonetheless). And both Sarah Jane and Martha have to choose to say good-bye to the Doctor in order to start getting over him.

Back when S3 was first airing, I pondered the notion that RTD was using Martha to 'ramp down' from the idea of the Doctor as a sexual/romantic person. Grace was the ramp up, a person that the Doctor was interested in who liked him not his life; Rose was the bridge (the apex; the climax; the transformation), someone he adored who adored both him and the life he offered; and Martha was someone who liked the life he offered, thought he was attractive, but didn't seem to know or like him very much as a person. Going right from Grace and Rose to a Doctor/companion relationship that was completely lacking in romance/sexuality would either be a bit of a harsh break or possibly lead to confusion. So, in order to make his divisions clear, RTD put in an intermediary position where the Doctor was clearly still a sexual/romantic figure ('lost prince') but had no interest in pursuing sex or romance (and I find it so fascinating that both of the 'unsuitable' choices were doctors -- it may show that the Doctor needs someone who complements him, not someone who echoes him).

RTD appears to believe that Martha was a necessary character to show the difference between Rose and the rest of the Doctor's companions. In balance, though I think her part could have been more strongly written, I agree.



ETA: In the end, I think the real problem with Martha is that they only had a six-episode story to tell with her (Smith & Jones through Gridlock and Utopia through Last of the Time Lords). She would have worked better if she hadn't stayed the whole season.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really not sure why Ten/Rose gets blasted more than Nine/Rose. Is it because it's RST as opposed to UST? Personally, I find both seasons equally shippy. And Nine is the one going around calling Rose 'the best' and suchlike.

I mean, for me, that's mostly irrelevant because it's all the Doctor. Their relationship grows naturally out of the story in both cases, because it's a slightly different version of the same man. But if you do make the distinction, Nine was just as clearly blown away by Rose as Ten was, so I'd think that they'd been equally annoying to the people who don't like the pairing.

Anyway, I still don't feel as though you've clarified your position (possibly because we're not using words in the same way -- I find that many misunderstandings come down to that). Have there been companions that have had as big an effect on the universe of Who as Rose did with Bad Wolf? It's a genuine question because, as I said previously, I have not (yet) watched all of the older episodes.

[identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. there are. Ace is a pretty good example. I've got a short list of other people who've had a season's worth or more impact on the plot at the end of this thread (http://butterfly.livejournal.com/1174301.html?thread=6013981#t6013981) and I go more into the Curse of Fenric stuff, which is Ace's Bad Wolf. So to say.

(Except I think I forgot about Turlough, whose shouting at crystals and being bullied by weird old duck-wearing dude during the Black Guardian Trilogy was a huge chunk of the plot of Season Twenty.)

Anyhow, Ten/Rose probably gets blasted more than Nine/Rose because to a lot of people outside the ship they seem to have more obnoxious and frankly illiterate fans than Nine/Rose.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Ace is, actually, one of the few companions that I have not met apart from glimpses of her in the Confidentials (I've been going in a semi-sort-of-order, except, of course, I watched the Movie because it was so short). I've heard that she and the Doctor have a mentoring-type relationship, that he's very manipulative, and that I'll probably like her a great deal (I do like Turlough and his story -- I think the distinction that the fans make regarding Rose vs Everyone Else is on how much focus her story gets... of course, episodes/stories are a lot shorter (and yet more firmly held together) now than they used to be).

Anyhow, Ten/Rose probably gets blasted more than Nine/Rose because to a lot of people outside the ship they seem to have more obnoxious and frankly illiterate fans than Nine/Rose.

Ah, the kid factor. Billie and David are both utterly adorable and, thus (I suspect), adored by a large majority of the teen audience. I never take the fans who can't capitalize seriously, whether they're on my side or against me.

[identity profile] biichan.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Ace is great. The Seventh Doctor is basically training her up to be his successor as Cosmic Gadfly and they have this great relationship where she blows shit up and he clucks at her exasperatedly but fondly. Seven and Ace are a great note to end your re-watching on.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
A friend of mine really adores Ace. I'm looking forward to meeting her (I just keep getting distracted -- I'm such a fannish butterfly (hence the name) and currently have nine shows that I plan to watch this fall).

My favorite is still Tennant, but Davidson is a close second in my heart and I have this big soft spot for Hartnell (and the Doctor's relationship with Susan, which makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... until the good-bye, which was just devastating and made me wonder if he ever got to see her again before Gallifrey went boom) and I like Colin Baker's Doc rather more than I think I'm supposed to.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Being as there is apparently uncertainty as regarding the canon nature of The Five Doctors.
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[personal profile] coneyislandbaby 2007-09-23 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I think it's because a lot of fans either forgot Nine, moved on, or came to the show for David Tennant, myself, with a heavy lean to moved on, and bit of emo "they forgot him" angst at times. Because there are a lot of times I feel people do forget Nine - and as a Chris fan, it annoys the hell out of me.

[identity profile] katesutton.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
*barges in* As a card-carrying Doctor/Rose shipper(we even have a secret handshake!) it irritates me because people act like Nine doesn't count, from both a shippy perspective and as the Doctor. I *heart* Nine, liek woah. I would have killed for another season with him.

And since I'm sharing, although I love both iterations of Doctor/Rose-am also up for past!Doctor/Rose, for that matter-I do not in any way, shape or form, ship Billie with either of her costars. I have no desire to see her shack up with either of them and NO, I will not go away, fandom, if the next Doctor is old or ugly. Too bad for you. Since you (didn't) ask. Hmm. Needed to get that off my chest, there.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
But Nine is love! Nine is so much love.

[identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Totally! I'm crazy about Nine/Rose, but it seems harder to be all OTP and er "batshit" (if that's the right word) over Nine/Rose, because most of the comms and shippers are focused around Ten/Rose these days
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Though, amusingly enough, when I polled my journal a while back, more people picked 'Nine/Rose' than 'Ten/Rose' as a pairing that they shipped.

Ten/Rose is definitely more public right now, though.

[identity profile] frelling-tralk.livejournal.com 2007-09-23 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm yeah, maybe it's partly that Ten/Rose shippers are a lot more active with fan fic and such? Perhaps because that was the last pairing we saw, and it's BP and DT that people would generally wish to see reunited when discussing the Doctor/Rose. Even with videos, it's easier to vid Ten/Rose as there's references to DT's Doctor missing Rose in season 3

Still I'd love a really active comm for Nine/Rose for OTP squeeing and such *g* I defriended [livejournal.com profile] time_and_chips a while ago, and I've not found a great alternative. I'm interested in comms for discussion only to be honest, but there's so much fic being produced in DW fandom that it tends to overwhelm the comms I find
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2007-09-24 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, [livejournal.com profile] time_and_chips really isn't worth the effort anymore. Sadly, I can't think of a community that's more exclusively for Nine/Rose shippers.