Ok, if you wanna get really technical, Joss said (after he retconned the whole fucking S/A thing in order to do FFL and keep Marsters around without making both his leading men slashier than they already were- but I digress into bitterness here) "a Sire is anyone further up the line. So Angel is Spike's Sire in that sense, and so is Darla."
However. Spike clearly referred to Angel, and only Angel as his Sire, not once but twice, and in front of others. So he at least obviously *thinks* of Angel(us) as his Sire, whereas his relationship with Drusilla has always been that of lover. An easy interpretation would be that Drusilla sired him (ie bit him, Made him, Turned him , etc.) as seen in FFL, but that Angelus taught him what he needed to know in order to survive, hence the Yoda line in School Hard.
And obviously Darla did not think of Angelus as a CHILD, the very word is pretty much why I use the alternate spelling, because the thought of that kind of thing makes even my kinky slasher self go EW! She did, however, clearly see him as a posession of sorts, she showed him off to her own Sire and yet had no qualms about hitting him over the head to save her own ass. Additionally, she did train him well, and that is what counts in terms of this argument. He survived her attack(s), and in the end, he survived HER.
I do not claim that all 'Sire/Childe'relationships are, as is commonly assumed in fanon, in some way romantic. However, with regard to the Fanged Four, a veritable plethora of familial terms have been used in canon (Grandmother, granddaughter, my boy) which leads me to believe we are at least supposed to assume some sort of bonding took place that went beyond the "norms" of what we see portrayed with other, less long lasting vamps in the Jossverse.
And, as I said, I will have no choice BUT to keep on using the word, until Joss sees fit to provide us with an alternative. Considering he can't even get Spike's age down pat, I shan't hold my breath.
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Date: 2002-10-01 12:41 am (UTC)However. Spike clearly referred to Angel, and only Angel as his Sire, not once but twice, and in front of others. So he at least obviously *thinks* of Angel(us) as his Sire, whereas his relationship with Drusilla has always been that of lover. An easy interpretation would be that Drusilla sired him (ie bit him, Made him, Turned him , etc.) as seen in FFL, but that Angelus taught him what he needed to know in order to survive, hence the Yoda line in School Hard.
And obviously Darla did not think of Angelus as a CHILD, the very word is pretty much why I use the alternate spelling, because the thought of that kind of thing makes even my kinky slasher self go EW! She did, however, clearly see him as a posession of sorts, she showed him off to her own Sire and yet had no qualms about hitting him over the head to save her own ass. Additionally, she did train him well, and that is what counts in terms of this argument. He survived her attack(s), and in the end, he survived HER.
I do not claim that all 'Sire/Childe'relationships are, as is commonly assumed in fanon, in some way romantic. However, with regard to the Fanged Four, a veritable plethora of familial terms have been used in canon (Grandmother, granddaughter, my boy) which leads me to believe we are at least supposed to assume some sort of bonding took place that went beyond the "norms" of what we see portrayed with other, less long lasting vamps in the Jossverse.
And, as I said, I will have no choice BUT to keep on using the word, until Joss sees fit to provide us with an alternative. Considering he can't even get Spike's age down pat, I shan't hold my breath.