Part of it probably really does come from when you started then
I think so. I'm not saying "all new fans are shippers" cos, not true, but I think there's more crossover?
because this is the show to me, whereas the random S/J-ness in SG-1 just felt like it was getting in the way of the rest of the show. But maybe it wouldn't have if I'd started watching S4 instead of starting at S1.
*nod* And I started that one at like... S7? I saw a bit of the later stuff and worked backwards kinda. So it wasn't weird for me.
But on the other hand, a lot of the people complaining about the Rose thing do seem to be really invested in a female companion that they prefer to have the Doctor hanging about with, which seems to make it more a character thing than a show thing.
That one is... odd. And maybe hard to explain. I shall try though. For you!
Rose was sold hard in the media, because there's a general conception that the old companions were rubbish across the board. So there was a bit of selling them down to sell her up? Rubbed some folk the wrong way. Mostly fandom took to her once we saw her. But there's still loyalty to other characters, like having faves in the Buffyverse? Yeah? I'd rather have Rose there than Victoria (and Nyssa. I loathe Nyssa), but she's not rating about Ace or Romana for me. They're gone though, and it's just that no one's going to like every companion (or even every Doctor) so... it's not really a problem unless the one you don't like is the incumbent.
We weren't really "allowed" to ship before. At all. So when we got shipping and sexualised Doctor it was like "YAY!" and some of us started retroshipping just because it was all new and shiny and unexplored. It's not so much "Rose is in the way!" as "Rose bores me. Can I write Romana/Nyssa instead?"
So. Not anyone really wanting someone else back, just that they prefer other folk when their being fannish?
(Or am I just vastly wrong on what you meant there?)
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I think so. I'm not saying "all new fans are shippers" cos, not true, but I think there's more crossover?
because this is the show to me, whereas the random S/J-ness in SG-1 just felt like it was getting in the way of the rest of the show. But maybe it wouldn't have if I'd started watching S4 instead of starting at S1.
*nod* And I started that one at like... S7? I saw a bit of the later stuff and worked backwards kinda. So it wasn't weird for me.
But on the other hand, a lot of the people complaining about the Rose thing do seem to be really invested in a female companion that they prefer to have the Doctor hanging about with, which seems to make it more a character thing than a show thing.
That one is... odd. And maybe hard to explain. I shall try though. For you!
Rose was sold hard in the media, because there's a general conception that the old companions were rubbish across the board. So there was a bit of selling them down to sell her up? Rubbed some folk the wrong way. Mostly fandom took to her once we saw her. But there's still loyalty to other characters, like having faves in the Buffyverse? Yeah? I'd rather have Rose there than Victoria (and Nyssa. I loathe Nyssa), but she's not rating about Ace or Romana for me. They're gone though, and it's just that no one's going to like every companion (or even every Doctor) so... it's not really a problem unless the one you don't like is the incumbent.
We weren't really "allowed" to ship before. At all. So when we got shipping and sexualised Doctor it was like "YAY!" and some of us started retroshipping just because it was all new and shiny and unexplored. It's not so much "Rose is in the way!" as "Rose bores me. Can I write Romana/Nyssa instead?"
So. Not anyone really wanting someone else back, just that they prefer other folk when their being fannish?
(Or am I just vastly wrong on what you meant there?)