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avendya.livejournal.com ([identity profile] avendya.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] butterfly 2007-09-24 08:49 am (UTC)

I hate to be rude, but did you actually read my post? I'll quote from it, since you seem to have skipped everything that wasn't the title.

I read your post, and strongly disagree with it. I also read the comments from [livejournal.com profile] lizbee and [livejournal.com profile] parrotfish, and your responses to them. Did you happen to actually read my comment?

I disagree with your assertion that Rose is the best person for the Doctor, and that the Doctor didn't love Martha/Sarah Jane. I also disagree that Martha was only used for the unrequited love arc.

But... as the show makes very, very clear -- Rose isn't special in the ultimate 'best person ever' way. She's special in the 'best person for this one specific character/relationship' way.

As I pointed out, this is obviously not the case. You don't seem to make the distinction between the tenth Doctor and all of the Doctor. Even with Ten, we are told, rather than shown, how wonderful she is.

At no time do I attempt to argue that Rose is the better person because the Doctor loves her.

No, but you do argue that Rose is the better - and more needed - character. You imply that RTD needed Rose (requited love), but not Martha (unrequited love). Yes, the storyline about love could have been condensed to six episodes. However, how much could Rose's storyline have been condensed? Was every episode with Rose important, while not every episode with Martha was? If not, than why is love the only difference you discuss?

'Unrequited love' is hardly all Martha is (and certainly not the only way she is different than Rose). You seem to think that the "love" theme is the most important thing in the show, as it's all you discuss, while I'm quite sure there were other reasons for creating and using Martha's character. (I quote: "Yes -- Martha was, in part, all about how special Rose was.")

If it was all about unrequited love, which is the only theme you discuss in any detail, why is RTD bringing her on to Torchwood & back to Who next season? If it's not all about unrequited love, why does that make Rose special?

To also paraphrase the Doctor, his companions can spend the rest of their lives with him. He can't spend the rest of his live(s) with them. If Rose is the best person for him ever, that rather dooms the Doctor, doesn't it? Unless, of course, Rose isn't the best person for him in all possible ways, and he can love others. Love is transitory (and I am well aware that that does not just apply to the Doctor, thank you) and just because he loved Rose, it doesn't make Martha any less important.

And SR, of course, has Sarah Jane -- who serves as our stand-in for Old School Companions. The Doctor very clearly has both admiration and affection for Sarah Jane (just as he does for Martha)... the Doctor is 'everything' to her, while she's basically a side-note to him

In my comment, I discussed love for Old School companions. Admiration and affection, yes, in all cases. He loves them all.

If you're going to compare Sarah Jane and Martha, Four states in canon that Sarah Jane is his best friend. Hardly a sidenote.

You argue that Rose is important because the Doctor loves her. (No, this is not a misreading of your post. You point out that it's set up as Rose and Everyone Else, and the only differentiating factor you give is love.) This is true of all his companions. He even loves Martha, although not romantically.

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